Nvidia CEO: Radeon VII is lousy and nothing new

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  1. Undying

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    I think 2080 is a good performer but pricing not so much. As for peformance 2080 was on pair with 1080ti when it came out and now its beats it on probably every game tested.
     
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  2. Denial

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    I think the point is that if people wanted that level of performance at $700 it's been available for two years. So AMD coming in with its high end product and offering the same (arguably less vs 2080) isn't really enticing.

    I also don't get the whole driver support comment. I have friends that still play on 980Ti's @ 1500Mhz and still get like ~1070Ti-1080 levels of performance. Looking through Guru3D's benchmark + techpowerup the 2080FE is ~10% faster on average than 1080Ti at launch. AMD's benchmarks put VII in between those. So if your argument is that the 2080 is getting faster with drivers (I haven't seen nor can find any comprehensive test that shows this although its possible) then the VII performance/$ is just getting worse.
     
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  3. Loophole35

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    I agree with everything you are saying. Nvidia is banking on real-time ray tracing getting wholesale adoption in the next year. If that happens then they have cornered the market on what really is the next major step in PC graphical improvement. Only time will tell on that. But in the short term I have a hard time suggesting any of the new cards.
     
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  4. Undying

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    I dont think 980ti can even get close to 1080 but that if you think its possible then ok.

    As for 2080 i do think its getting faster, dont you? Not only with driver updates but better use in modern games. I would recommend you watch DF 2060 review. I was surprised.
     

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  6. Denial

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    The wording in your posts (up until this one) implies that the gap is getting further apart because "pascal is old news and losing driver support" which isn't the case. It's Turing getting faster because the architecture is radically different.

    I also don't get why the same argument for Pascal wouldn't apply to Vega which is also a two year old architecture. According AMD's own benchmarks it doesn't even match the 2080 now. So the 2080 gets faster with updates, faster with DLSS, more games with RTX - the VII is just going to look worse and worse in comparison from a perf/$ standpoint.

    Honestly - I don't even think VII was supposed to exist as a gaming card. I think AMD has a surplus of MI50's and they can make a few bucks by selling them for gaming as opposed to letting them sit in inventory. I think the high prices of RTX allowed this card to exist. I think it will be replaced by a Navi variant by the end of this year.
     
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  8. Fox2232

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    Well, if same thoughts about Lisa's jacket went through his head as went through mine...

    Then it could have been envy on his side as he is into jackets. Her jacket looks so soft and comfortable. Even Luxurious...
    His does not.
     
  9. ManofGod

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    Nope and nope. By the way, the V64 is equivalent to to 1080 with is equivalent to the 2070. Not really sure where you get this 2060 bashing from since most are under the 5 year NDA which Nvidia will bring the Ban hammer down on if you speak negatively at all about their products. (Good thing the [H] has the balls to expose this and the GPP crap.)
     
  10. ManofGod

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    Why should we take it with a grain of salt? Also, the fact that it is bundled with the AMD card means what exactly, that they bundled it with the AMD card and probably optimized it for it? Guess that RTX stuff is just not all that, after all.
     

  11. Loophole35

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    Linus. GN, Hardware unboxed just to name a few have posted negative press about the card.
    Also maybe you should pay attention V64, 1080 and 2060 are all in the same perfromance range. 2070 is a good bit ahead most of the time.
    [​IMG]

    Look I get it you feel the need to prop your lord and savior Lisa Su up but do it with integrity.

    Objectivity is dead in this day.

    Because the performance delta of any game bundled with a product should be subject to query no matter if its green or red.
     
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    I agree with your fashion analysis: she looks better than him wearing leather jackets but sadly for Su the presentation was about GPU not fashion.

    :D
     
  13. tunejunky

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    actually, Nvidia has lost 40% of it's market cap and AMD has gained 70%.
    as of this moment (not a good one for the market) AMD could find any number of M&A specialists to partner with and finance an all cash buyout. and with stock mixed in it's even easier.

    but as i mentioned, the clear and present danger is Intel, whose actual cash on hand is over double the market cap of Nvidia. and the market knows Intel's fabrication assets make them uniquely suited to go 1:1 (and win) with AMD.
     
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    Exactly this. It's most optimized for AMD. Not that I want to flame this fact, but it's pretty clear as of now that partner programs mean that the manufacturer's (driver) team and the devs work closer together than with the other one...
     
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  15. Denial

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    Lol wtf is this?

    Nvidia has lost 40% of it's market from what? It's all time high? AMD has gained 70% since what? It's all time low? Like what are you even looking at to get these numbers? Source literally any of this please - including that Intel has $180B in liquid assets.
     

  16. Fox2232

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    I doubt he was triggered by that GPU. That's why I think he had unpleasant moment watching Lisa.
    And I think he will remember what he said for long time.
     
  17. tensai28

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    Obviously making a comment like that is going to get the internet all worked up. But AMD still hasn't released anything to compete with nvidia's top card, the 2080ti or the rtx titan. They remain 1 generation behind as usual and release a card to compete with last gens 1080ti. This is a card that has been out for quite a while.

    Reality is; 4k gaming is here. 4k displays are becoming increasingly affordable and soon to be the standard (if not already). Unfortunately the cards to power them, are very overpriced and wouldn't be so expensive if there was some competition (AMD is to blame here).

    Right now, the 2080ti and rtx titan are the only cards that can safely give you ultra settings at 4k 60fps. AMD will give you results similar to last gens 1080ti which is in the 40-50fps territory on many AAA titles. Both the 2080ti and rtx titan, just by looking at a majority of feedback on here and elsewhere, is mostly seen as too expensive and only a result of the lack of competition from AMD. People who want to play games at 4k ultra have no choice but to buy these high priced cards. It's not a good situation and I have to say; yeah, it is lousy and nothing new. Imagine if AMD was to release a new card that went head to head with the 2080ti and at a lower price. Nvidia would be forced to lower their price to compete. That would be a much better situation that would benefit us all.
     
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  18. Loophole35

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    Nvidia may still lower their prices on RTX after RVII launches. They have pretty much sold the back stock of Pascal so the RTX prices can now be cut. If this is what happens it's a bit shady but par for the course all things considered. The point of NV and AMD is to make money at the end of the day.
     
  19. Fox2232

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    So, should AMD release gaming card with $1200 price tag against RTX 2080Ti? Or that matching RTX Titan?
    Will you buy it?
     
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  20. sammarbella

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    Why not? There are a lot of fat wallet ppl out there but the question is....:

    Is Navi 2 ready to release?

    First news...

    :p
     

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