Nvidia CEO: Radeon VII is lousy and nothing new

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  1. Denial

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    The main reason for Nvidia's stock dropping was their announcement of a massive pascal inventory due to mining collapse along with weak guidance, also due to mining collapse (nvidia was certain mining was going to remain relevant into 2019). AMD mentioned similar things in their past earnings calls and their guidance was also based on mining continuing to be relevant. They report the 28th and I have a feeling it's not going to be pretty.
     
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    Gotcha! Thanks for that. :)
     
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    Huang meant to say that "The performance is awesome and this card is brand new, sporting a whopping 1 Tb of memory bandwith" and "Even though there are no tensor cores you can utilize raytracing through sheer horsepower with Radeon VII. It's 7 nm so it's an epic card and DLSS is really nothing to fear about. It is sure a neat feature for those who want AA with small image quality loss and no performance penalty, but there are various AA methods that Radeon VII can offer and they often look better. We are unable to crush this card."
     
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    Folks don't have to say everything that comes into their heads.
    This makes him sound petty and insecure.
    Maybe the Radeon release has the potential to cut into his profit at a time he was banking on no competition.
     
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    Nobody pinch this guy.
     
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    https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk/issues
     
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    So which one?

    EDIT: After further reading, this DXVK is not for Windows. As per the description: "Vulkan-based D3D11 and D3D10 implementation for Linux / Wine" So you are referring to a game bug that is running in DX10/11 as per a wrapper using Vulkan calls? Also, the earliest bug still Open is Mar 2018, and many of them have been updated saying "Fixed as per xx.xx.xx.xx version"

    So whatever issue you are referring to isn't 2 years old. Also it seems things are fixed by updating the wrapper, and not Vulkan.

    So the original point of saying that AMD's drivers have a 2 yr old bug that hasn't been fixed for Windows is totally invalidated based on this link.

    If you are originally referring to Vulkan issues in the Linux driver, then :shrug: who cares, it's Linux. :)
     
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    look at ones tagged AMDVLK

    there are others on other projects too.
     
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    Yeah, that's just all wrong
     
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    1 - CEOs should not...
    2 - Right
    3 - Nah...

    I guess the root of his problem (the outburst) was the fashion.

    Leather, leather jacket.

    Huang's leather jacket is iconic (for good or bad) and seeing Su wearing a light leather jacket to announce a non competitive (in price and performance) GPU was simply too much for him.

    :p:eek::mad:o_O
     

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    Boy this started a flame war. While the Radeon VII is a nice looking card performance wise the price is less desirable and will be its limiting factor. For the same price you could get the 1080ti almost two years ago. So really the only people that will jump on this when it launches will be fanboys and enthusiasts that just want to play with it. AMD will then say something along the lines of “the high end market is not our goal, we are for the gamers” yada yada yada. Same stuff they said when Vega flopped performance wise.

    Look I get why the VII cost so much 4 stacks of HBM2 is not cheap. The card is impressive there is no arguing that and big green is way out of line with these comments but some of the media I’ve seen out there for this card has been a little over the top in praise lately. I’m starting to loose faith in reviewers at large over the RTX 2060 reviews and them twisting what is really a great card at an okay price point into a negative simply due to the other more expensive cards in the lineup. Then AMD drops a card that is on paper so far only looking 25-30% faster at almost double the price (The RTX2060 trades blows with the Vega 64 BTW), and people are lining up to suck AMD’s teet.

    It’s a bad price on an okay card with yet more hype to cripple it in the short term. This time however AMD didn’t drum up the hype themselves their fanboys did it for them on such short notice, because that’s all they know to do.
     
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    Its funny when people compare RVII with the 1080ti. Pascal is history, old news and probably their driver support too, buying one now is just stupid unless trash cheap. Its all about the Turing now where this card compete with 2080.

    2080 is also second to best nvidia make.
     
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    This is true. The 2080 is a bit underwhelming to be honest and again the price of it does not do it any favors. The point of my post was however that this level of performance was available almost two whole years ago at the same price (which in the tech world is the kiss of death). VII while a good card (like the VEGA 64 before it) is a year too late. Now If AMD were sitting on a bigger card then cool but looking at the die it seem unlikely.
     
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    I think 2080 is a good performer but pricing not so much. As for peformance 2080 was on pair with 1080ti when it came out and now its beats it on probably every game tested.
     
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    I think the point is that if people wanted that level of performance at $700 it's been available for two years. So AMD coming in with its high end product and offering the same (arguably less vs 2080) isn't really enticing.

    I also don't get the whole driver support comment. I have friends that still play on 980Ti's @ 1500Mhz and still get like ~1070Ti-1080 levels of performance. Looking through Guru3D's benchmark + techpowerup the 2080FE is ~10% faster on average than 1080Ti at launch. AMD's benchmarks put VII in between those. So if your argument is that the 2080 is getting faster with drivers (I haven't seen nor can find any comprehensive test that shows this although its possible) then the VII performance/$ is just getting worse.
     
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    I agree with everything you are saying. Nvidia is banking on real-time ray tracing getting wholesale adoption in the next year. If that happens then they have cornered the market on what really is the next major step in PC graphical improvement. Only time will tell on that. But in the short term I have a hard time suggesting any of the new cards.
     
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    I dont think 980ti can even get close to 1080 but that if you think its possible then ok.

    As for 2080 i do think its getting faster, dont you? Not only with driver updates but better use in modern games. I would recommend you watch DF 2060 review. I was surprised.
     
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    The wording in your posts (up until this one) implies that the gap is getting further apart because "pascal is old news and losing driver support" which isn't the case. It's Turing getting faster because the architecture is radically different.

    I also don't get why the same argument for Pascal wouldn't apply to Vega which is also a two year old architecture. According AMD's own benchmarks it doesn't even match the 2080 now. So the 2080 gets faster with updates, faster with DLSS, more games with RTX - the VII is just going to look worse and worse in comparison from a perf/$ standpoint.

    Honestly - I don't even think VII was supposed to exist as a gaming card. I think AMD has a surplus of MI50's and they can make a few bucks by selling them for gaming as opposed to letting them sit in inventory. I think the high prices of RTX allowed this card to exist. I think it will be replaced by a Navi variant by the end of this year.
     
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