Nvidia CEO: Radeon VII is lousy and nothing new

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  1. Astyanax

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    VII was one of Rayfields ideas' it shouldn't have happened.
     
  2. Maddness

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    I kind of think they didn't have a choice. Navi isn't quite ready yet.
     
  3. Killian38

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    Heh just saw him talking about this. That CEO is very scared. It was either full on lies or half lies. Why does he play us all for fools? I bet he hasn't even used a RTX card.
     
  4. Astyanax

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    just don't release a product, its that simple.

    the card costs $750 to make, they aren't getting much profit of them.
     

  5. Maddness

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    Where did you see that. I doubt very much that it is true.
     
  6. Prince Valiant

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    Do you have a source on this? At $750 they'd be selling these at a loss if $700 is MSRP.
     
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  7. Astyanax

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    AMD almost always sells their consumer gpu's at a loss, they make up for it with the professional versions of the cards.

    with the HBM memory already exceeding $320, its not hard to quantify the cost.

     
  8. Eastcoasthandle

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    I like to know as well as it's also part of the same lie that it cost AMD hundreds of dollars to use HBM per video card. But they didn't know that AMD was one of the organizations that created HBM.
    And they made a deal to get it at a discount. I don't have that article about the discount and even if I could find it the price was never given. However:
    https://www.kitguru.net/components/...ng-usage-of-hbm-and-do-not-collect-royalties/
     
  9. pharma

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    I think an HBM2 cost approximation is roughly $175 (including interposer) for 8GB.
    https://www.gamers nexus.net/guides/3032-vega-56-cost-of-hbm2-and-necessity-to-use-it
     
  10. K.S.

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    Thank god this isn’t twitter.
     
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    I'm not really a Nvidia fanboy, but is really wish AMD could put out a new GPU that doesn't seem big and hot.

    triple fan , thick, supposed 300w cards are not instilling confidence in me that AMD will eventually have direct competition for Nvidia on the high end.

    I'm glad they have viable 7nm cards coming out under the $1000 price point but I have to wonder if they will ever approach a Ti or Titan level performance before Intel's chance to try.

    Maybe AMD will have something ready for 2019 in the form of Navi but it is a hard sell even compared to the over-priced RTX options if this is all AMD has until late 2019
     
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    I love the fact it is a triple fan setup. Single fan blower style fans have been the bane of AMD cards for 2 long.
     
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  13. Undying

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    Isnt your 1080 strix also big, thick and have tripple fans?
     
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    I think it's a smarter move to use it only for certain things. I know it demands so much horsepower that we won't be able to see it rendered fully in real time for ages...it will be the future, but like VR in the 90s it is introduced rather early and of course it's introduced because they want us to keep on purchasing better and better GPUs until the end of times.
    Unless consoles start to do this I won't really care to jump on the bandwagon.
     
  15. waltc3

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    JHH really sounds the idiot, lately. Ray-tracing? Hah. What a ridiculous joke--what a clown! "Step right up folks and be amazed as we turn on our Tensor cores in order to do a lousy job of ray tracing five pixels each frame--and marvel at how our frame-rate plummets 50%! Step right up, folks, this baby is going to separate you from your pocketbook!" Man, he is surely rattled to toss out mindless drivel like this. Sheesh. nVidia will squash your wallet flat, too--what a deal...;)
     

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    As Denial pointed out, you haven't used their product for several years. The drivers since Catalyst have improved with the new dev team, and offer some very nice features. My 390 experience has been great, except for Wattman support, they never did get that right. However, if you have a more recent Polaris or Vega, you do some undervolting for the Vega, set up Chill to use your FreeSync range min+5 fps and upper max range, enable FS, and you have a quiet card, lowered power consumption and heat, and smooth gameplay. On my 4K screen I used 45-60 fps, and it rocked.
     
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    Man, you know nothing. I look few times a year to threads about nVidia's drivers. What I read there says that nVidia has worst drivers from PC-GPU trio. And that means they are worse than intel's.
    This is not common quote from AMD's drivers thread:
    No, this is from newest nVidia driver thread. Objectively looking at issues at hand, fixes and experiences users have...

    You are writing about AMD's drivers like if those were ATi's 15+ years ago.
     
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    He is worried sick, because if an old gpu refreshed like Radeon VII Vega 2 is strong enough to be the 4th strongest gpu for gaming(Titan RTX>=2080TI>=2080>=Radeon VII), the cheapest NAVI variant in CrossFire will destroy RTX 2080TI hands down. :)

    Anyway, even if I admire NVIDIA, I should refresh JHH's memory that AMD has no superiority complex. You can crossfire from top to bottom like RX 560 series. :D

    With Nvidia you cannot SLI RTX 2070 or 2060 simply to not destroy that overpriced RTX 2080TI. ;)
     
  19. GREGIX

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    U have to have something wrong with ur system/mobo/psu, or just had bad luck. Never ever had problems u seems to have had. 5 different platforms(AMD/Intel), from 7970 to fury and vega 64 lately(in my sons PC now) there was not such issue as completely bad drivers. Yes, there are some revisions where something in some game may be working wrong or not at all. Yes, there can be some fkd functionality(like in relive on some version, do not remember now, my son using it). But there are other version, and they works.
    Have, and had nvidias gfx too, and their drivers sometimes can suck real hard too. From CTD to broken g-sync or, well, broken fan curve.
     
  20. HeavyHemi

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    Huh, one of them is a successful CEO, another is some nobody wanker on a forum with a hangover slurring insults. "Sheesh"... is right if you thought YOU look impressive with this screeching.
     

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