NVIDIA Announces GeForce RTX 3070, 3080 and 3090 (With Even More Shader processors)

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  1. kapu

    kapu Ancient Guru

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    Low VRAM will be failure of Ampre, just look :


    1080 Ti manages to beat 2080 in 4k . It clearly shows what will happen in following years .
    8GB will be GOOD ENOUGH , only for 1080p , nothing more.
     
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    It'll suck super hard for anything outside of gaming which isn't so uncommon anymore. I want to upgrade my 1080 Ti while I have some free time and I'm in the middle of some games, but I don't want downgrade my already too limited 11GB of VRAM to 10GB. I'm definitely not the only 1080 Ti owner out there who's pissed they're charging $700 USD, meaning AIB models will probably be $800+ for non-ass ones, yet delivering half the expected RAM. Anyone who thinks their profit margins aren't up every single time is delusional. It's the same people who tried to defend the 2K series pricing even though we all know it was just Jensen pushing past what he already suspected people wouldn't tolerate.

    I wouldn't even remotely consider buying from nVidia if I wasn't:
    - Limited on my window of free time & in the middle of games where I'm getting dog performance at 1440p.
    - Concerned about how fast my 1080 Ti will lose resale value.
    - At absolute 0 when it comes to faith in AMD simultaneously not being shitters, actually delivering, AND not price fixing (they're straight incompetent if that's not what it is every time to explain their retarded pricing vs nVidia).
    - Reliant on CUDA.

    10GB for only the price of 40GB! What a steal! Everyone agrees nVidia are practically paying us this gen. :rolleyes:
     
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    He "suspects" that it maybe due to vram whenever he finds some titles fps a little more in 4k. Not an absolute, only an assumption. Many variables can affect performance aside from vram capacity. How do you explain 2080S with same vram beating 1080ti in those benches? The ONLY way you will truly know is to use the same exact GPU with different vram capacities, not different GPUs with different arches. When the 3080 10gb and 20gb versions are released and compared, only then you will have proper comparison criteria.

    Also other sites benches show different results to techspot:
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    It's not a gamer gpu, its a prosumer gpu.
     
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    With geometry and texture units number being kept around the same as Turing (especially when compared to the huge increase in FP32 unit), how much variation we would see between the 3070 (shader heavy) and the 2080ti in different case scenario will be interesting to see...
    If I had to take a guess, Witcher 3 novigrad or the recent flight simulator (when flying in a city) might see the 2080ti pull ahead...
     
  6. kapu

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    There is not much to suspect when couple games have same results.
     
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    "Suspect" is the word he used to qualify his technically deficient analysis. He never used a 2080S alongside his flawed methodology which would have shot his argument down. Furthermore, the Doom benchmark he used is way off from the Techpowerup, GameGPU and other sites which show the 2080 FAR ahead of the 1080ti @ 4k as would be the case in Vulkan benchmarks. Other benches he used differ from Guru3d findings as well. I didnt think much of HU/techspot before, but thanks to you now I know they are not a technically competent site.

    I should add, I am only referring to the 8gb vs 11gb vram aspect of the discussion. The 2080 imo may be failure in other aspects (gen to gen improvements), but its 8gb has not yet been proven to be its limiting factor.
     
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  8. pharma

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    That's why you never take the results from one site for granted, especially HU.
    As suggested above check some competent sites instead of click-baits.
     
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    I think you misread numbers in card names I wrote.
     
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    I think we are beginning to see the limits of 1080p perf with these cards. So unless we see new, better CPUs that will not limit 1080p perf, the big differences will be at high resolutions mostly. I think 1080p perf will become almost irrelevant with next gen GPUs. Notice how Nvidia is focusing on 4k in its presentation?
     

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    2080s, 15.5 Gbps 8GB
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    3080, 19 Gbps 10GB

    1080ti might have a decent amount of memory but the speeds are massively down. Its also a good reason for Nvidia to only be showing 4k results. Having watched the HU video I felt it a great oversight to not include how much memory was being used, if its suspected to be a memory issue then surely it should have been a focus of the test to show it visually to the viewers. I know that when I overclocked my 2080s memory there was less memory being used so theoretically even though the 3080 has less than the 1080ti, it being much quicker probably offsets that loss of 1GB.

    I'm mega interested in the 3060, will it have G6, will it be 8GB
     
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    Here in Portugal all the stores have the 2000 series on sales, that can go as high as 25% but even with those price cuts they continue to be too expensive... I wonder what they are going to do with those last units they didn´t sell before the announcement of the 3000 series...

    Not to mention all the guys that are trying to sell their own cards online...
     
  13. Shun the non believer :mad::mad::mad:
     
  14. southamptonfc

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    I take a bit of exception to being called confused. You yourself wrote that Nvidia changed the release process with the last series of cards so not sure why you're so confident of how it "always works". I'll point out that there was also no 2090.

    And while a 3080ti will surely be released, neither you or I have any idea whether it will be faster than the 3090.
     
  15. JonasBeckman

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    The price and specs on the 3090 seems like it fulfills the role of the previous Titan GPU models although there could still be room for an actual Ampere Titan with even more memory outside of the workstation specific cards too depending on what NVIDIA does.
    (Would perhaps be a bit extreme for most users but for work and application purposes and outside of the full on workstation cards and pricing it could be a thing, few thousand cheaper but still capable.)

    The 3080 as the enthusiast offering so a replacement for the Ti model but with customization options like a potential higher amount of memory and the price range between this and the 3090 leaves a position for a 3080 Ti too or a Super model perhaps.
    3070 as the more price/performance gamer but still high end choice although on par with if not better than the current 2080Ti GPU which is incredibly impressive for the price range this sits in and again enough room for a potential 3070 Ti or Super too.

    I expect a later on 3060 or 3050 for the more mid range segments but that could be a few months along with alternate memory variants of the 3070 and 3080 for how the bus here allows configuring the memory amount. (320 bit and 384 bit I think.)

    This is just relative performance and somewhat comparable pricing to the older GPU models though whereas this is a bit of a new process, older '90's where the dual-GPU models I believe and I doubt those will ever return. :D
     
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    Do not post BS. At all reviews from our trusted guru3d, there isn't any occasion of 2080 losing from 1080ti in 4k. Stop this spam. Brutal strength is much more important than temporary storing capacity.
     
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    While possible. Shaders can become more complex, providing more realistic results. And in such event Ampere 3070 will do better than Turing 2080Ti on 1080p.
     
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    Actually there is a few titles that 2080 may be a couple fps behind in 4k, but there is no real evidence its due to vram limits. The 1080ti is 352-bit bus vs 256 for the 2080, which may be a factor along with other variables. But throw the 2080S in there and it pulls ahead. So the 8gb theory falls flat in this case. ;)
     
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    Also these new Ampere gpus have newer vram compression so it will use less vram regardless.

    And you can't really compare 2080 vs 1080ti and say it's vram limit @4k, i think it's only pixel and texutre fillrate difference, also higher ROPs on 1080ti.

    Now I saw 3080 has 168gpixel and whopping 480gtexel, that should help too.

    Imo this 10GB limit overblown by users.
     
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    I agree. Both GPU manufacturers and game developers have to find ways to satisfy 1080p gamers since its still the mainstream. So yeah, there is bound to be a few titles to keep it alive, like RDR2.
     

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