NVIDIA: Ampere RTX 30 Stock Issues Is not only based on GPU shortages

Komplett group is the biggest retailer in Scandinavia ( Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland) They have delivered WAY more cards than proshop. There has not been any problems to get any 3060ti/3070/3080/3090 if you don't need one specific card model. There has been new cards in stock pretty much every day, even the queue order is very long. So in Scandinavia it's all good

I first bought a Palit 3080 oc, but sold it when I got 2x 3090 strix OC.

 

From a scalper or proshop.dk ?

Proshop has had normal prices all the time

 

Proshop.dk - 14199 dkk, which is roughly 2250 USD. Prices in denmark are just considerably higher than in the us.

They actually increased the price since i bought mine :

https://www.proshop.dk/Grafikkort/A...G-STRIX-OC-24GB-GDDR6X-RAM-Grafikkort/2876867

 

no one gets any cards in Poland
there's 50 units of 3080 and 3070 altogether to buy from scalpers
no 3060ti's,from vendors or scalpers.

people who think this is demand have absolutely no clue
I placed my order for 3080 on sep 17th,no card,no info except emails from the biggest computer shop in the country explaining this is a "worldwide problem" and that they're not getting any shipments,and when they do,it's a few units of a single model.

 

You can't just convert the price in Denmark to price in the US. US price has no VAT, income is WAY less etc...

The price looks just about right for Denmark. Not high compared to other hardware

Too bad for Poland....

 

We all know it's is a crazy demand. No one says anything else. I just say it's pretty easy to get 30 series cards in Scandinavia

 

my neighbor works in Norway,I wonder how much I'd pay for one with pln-crown conversion

same,goes for 6800 here.well,even worse,cause there's 3 units altogether to buy from scalpers

 

Converted price on 3090 strix OC from Norwegian kroners to Zloty is pretty much 9000 Zloty

Salary in Norway is maybe triple per hour than in Poland? How much per hour for a carpenter or so?

Carpenters in Norway has ~ 250 NOK per hour, minus tax that is about 35-40%.

 

True as that might be:
Despite RTX 2000 being DoA in terms of competitiveness vs new 3000, this quarter Nvidia moved 9% more cards than the year before, or 13% more than the previous quarter. While generating 37% higher revenue both QoQ and YoY.

Any explanation at all for any of this:

1. higher volume
2. even higher revenue
3. richer mix of high-end cards

 

"moved"

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/7646...because-nvidia-sold-them-to-miners/index.html

 

It's not just nVidia...AMD seems to be doing exactly the same thing. Other day saw an MSI reference design 6800XT advertised on New Egg for $1699 US....insane. Almost three times the MSRP! Checked back next day and it was gone--looks like one of New Egg's suppliers had scalped a few--and either they sold them or NewEgg removed the listings...don't know, don't care. I've gone through many GPU launches over the decades and I've never seen one that was anywhere near as bad as this one in 2020 in terms of just not having supply. This isn't a case of miners increasing demand to unrealistically raise prices because supply is tight...there is no supply at all to speak of, atm. No way that either nVidia or AMD was justified in launching these products this year. I mean, it is laughable. Both companies seemed to have plenty to give reviewers--apparently more than the public was able to buy! How that makes sense escapes me. It's as if both companies were anticipating each other and wanted to beat the other to the punch long before either company would have a decent supply to sell! AMD had no excuse, imo. nVidia pulled the paper launch trigger first so AMD had plenty of time to observe that nVidia wasn't going to be selling RTX-3000's in quantity until next year. So why on Earth did AMD copy them? Would have been much better to reveal the product and date the hardware launch for 1/15/2021, or so! I don't get it--I really do not. By the time both companies are actually able to ship these GPUs to begin to meet demand almost everyone will have forgotten the "reviews" of the hardware they were not able to buy in a timely fashion. Well, I guess seeding the reviewers instead of their customers was job #1 for both companies.

 

Lol how do you explain the steam stats then? I guess steam power increases hash rate. /s

Also how are you not embarrassed by arguing that *reportedly* 6% of Nvidias revenue went to miners? As if that's some sizeable chunk of cards.. I totally bet if they didn't go to miners there would be no shortage lol

 

175 million is nothing compared to the total volume


"a new report" Could be research labs too, that bough some of this. This is very normal


"There is no 3080 series cards in the world"



Steam:
0.23% 3080 cards (~57 000) on steam

3dmark: too many Timespy results

"There is ZERO 3090 cards in the world"

3dmark: too many Timespy results

 

Eh, yeah i can... i just did. And average income isn't less in the us - it's higher.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage

Yes, it is overpriced like all other hardware in denmark. But it's the same as always - most countries that aint 'murica gets shafted.

 

Compare the salary for the same jobs, and report back Like working in Mc Donalds in the USA VS Denmark

... And compare the prices without VAT both places...

 

@Denial
3 MC around me, about 10-15 Nv gpus ranging from GT210 to GT1020 and similar.
didnt happen with 10 or 20 series, so no, its not because demand is higher, its because of less cards..
a company that big had only to do ONE thing, wait another 2-4 month, especially if they have soo much trouble with yields/supply, to build up stock.
unless you want to tell me they cant look at previous releases (all, not just a year) and would need a rocket scientist to add the variable "covid",
as in ppl sitting home playing games and want new hw for new games/upgrades (what a surprise).

the same reason i laugh when places like walmart or equivalent sizes supermarket runs out of soda (or anything else).
its not like all soda plants on the planet blew up and nor do they have direct shipping from plant to store, so its either a reorder or storage issue/amount),
that is unacceptable in the 21st century.

 

You need to explain your position because it doesn't work logically.

You're saying you live next to three microcenters, some other irrelevant cards are in stock but the 3080 isn't. You don't remember this happening with the 10 or 20 series and because of those reasons it automatically means there is less supply? How do you come to that conclusion? I know several people waiting for 3080s personally - judging by this forum thread, dozens here - none of them are buying GT210s because they can't get a 3080 as far as I know. What exactly is the purpose of bringing up the GT210 or GT1020 (which I don't even think is a card)?

Presumably they did look at previous launches as according to both steam stats and their revenue, they shipped more 3080s than any previous launch in the same timeframe and it looks to be by a pretty large margin, yet it still isn't enough. Which again, indicates unprecedented demand and not what most people and you are insinuating (that they are shipping less cards than previous launches)

I'm not really sure what waiting 2-4 months would have done. We are now 2 1/2 months out and the cards are still hard to get. If they had waited and released them all today.. we'd be in the same situation but I wouldn't have had my 3080 for a month now. So it would have just screwed me for a month to be in the same situation. No thanks.

 

That card has an MSRP of $1799.99, times that by the denmark VAT of 25% and it comes to exactly 2250

Literally the same price as the US, since you can't claim VAT included prices make it more expensive, as though your MSRP should be lower then the USA to compensate for denmarks VAT.

Plus, most places in the US have sales tax as well, but unlike most countries in europe, are not required to post prices with tax (mostly due to every state, city, county, etc. All having different tax rates)

TLDR: it's the same price.

 

@Denial
in 15y going to MC regularly (build about 50 computer in that time frame),
not once had the store NOTHING in stock (Nvidia chip).
And that includes EVERY time i checked (in the past 15y) for stuff that was gpu related (stock/specific model/price).

and this time (as i want a cpu as well) i even checked 2 additional store (i usually dont go there), meaning total inventory (space and amount) is even more (vs one store alone), and still ZERO cards.

i mentioned the 210/7xx series, as ppl here would have questioned why i said "nothing",
and pointing out that those are in stock.

and again, a billion $ company, and they dont know how to build stock before sale/release...

 

Big talk for someone who doesn't own a billion $ company.

For anyone here to imply that nvidia should have done this better, needs to look at AMD and every product they are releasing right now, both companies are having these issues, due to various reasons, and to think

"Oh yeah Company A did this horribly even though they would have much rather have had much more stock and made much more sales" just makes absolutely zero sense in every sense of the word.

Would your solution @fry178 be that nvidia should have not released when they did, waited 6 months to build up "adequate" stock, and then released? Where's the logic in that? All that would have done is make it so people couldn't have a card for 6 months forced on them rather then let them hope stock comes in sometime during that 6 months, as well as no sane company would want to sit on a product for 6 months, that's how you sink companies.

So what's your master plan o brilliant one who has all the answers while never leading a billion dollar company? Wait nevermind i really don't want to know, honestly, as i've already stating a couple times, you don't have the expertise to make a judgement call here, so what's the point in listening to your judgement and thoughts?

I get the feeling with your statement that you haven't even worked the lowest of the lowest positions in retail, or didn't even learn from it.