NSA can follow nearly everything you do online in real-time

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    yep, and nobody is going to do a damn thing about it
     
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    It doesn't really bother me tbh, if your a decent person and doing the right thing I cant see how this is problem, as long as they catch scum before they kill people I'm ok with it.
     

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    It's a product of the war on terror.
    or the war of terror, whichever your standpoint.
     
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    Bull****, there were always programs like this and always will be. It has nothing to do with the war on terror.

    People forget that the internet is little more than an open public street. You can scream and yell whatever you want unto it, just don't expect a sudden right to privacy when you do that.

    If you want, create your own private intranet and you can then be entitled to all the privacy you want.
     
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    But the question is, if we let this go then what's next and what's after that, and what's left for our children?
     
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    A metadata of all the extremely important meme's you have uploaded.
     
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    like ..

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    Yes? :D
     

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    Maybe the EU will step in after those reports. We already got the cookielaw. lol
     
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    While I'm not doubting the capabilities of the NSA, and am against it for being a waste when it comes to blinding archiving web activities, the press on it is bordering on scaremongering. I haven't seen a decrease of any illegal activities online: media piracy, viruses, digital bank heist, identity theft, fraud- you name it. I haven't seen too many cases of it limiting anyone from doing whatever petty thing they want online, even without HTTPS, or even without Tor.

    How the **** could you possibly accurately track or give a **** about internet data from a country of a population of 313.9 million alone? The only possible thing would be file hashes, and again, if they're barely able to scratch the service of media piracy, which would be easy, the hell?

    So they'll log your porn searches and collect the money for the man/computer resources of doing so. What a waste.
     
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    No, they are looking for very specific indicators of activity which interests them; everything else is pretty much discarded almost immediately. Of those interested items, they go through a more intense filter and only a minor fraction remain afterwards. Finally, they get push upstairs for a mere clerk level person to briefly look at and categorize it and verify its interest. Afterwards, it might be pushed upstairs to the analysts or held for future reference.

    The stuff you and I post however, is almost immediately deleted; they only have so much space.

    Finally, the NSA is not responsible for nearly all the examples you posted, that is the area of the FBI. The NSA is responsible for collecting intelligence, not dealing with petty online crime.
     
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    Thanks Chillin.
     
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    Do you guys have a data retention law ?
     

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    And that's my point.

    When they are able to suddenly store entire images of the internet and of what everyone did or wrote on there, then I'll start to get nervous.

    Otherwise, they are really just interested in the stuff they are supposed to be interested about and not you or me unlike some people with inflated ego's would have you believe.
     
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    Alex Jones LOL, 'buy my videos!'
     
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    Yes and no, mostly no. It depends on the security level of the database. To balance this, most data acquired without a warrant or similar is inadmissible in court unless there are exceptional circumstances.

    There's also the civilian aspect:
     
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    And by the way, everything I just said is open and common knowledge. I make no claim to know what goes on behind the scenes.

    And like I said, I am mostly for such programs, but they have to have much more civilian oversight and open rulebooks.
     
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    ah ok. here everything is kept for 12 months.
     

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