New Upcoming ATI/AMD GPU's Thread: Leaks, Hopes & Aftermarket GPU's

Discussion in 'Videocards - AMD Radeon' started by OnnA, Jul 9, 2016.

  1. Agonist

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    Yea Ill sell those before my Fury X. That thing will never go away. Its a collector type of card for me. Id sell both for $80 USD if I have to. Easier to buy a $440 gpu with $160 already towards it.
    I did pay $550 for the Fury X back in 2016, and I never regretted it either.
     
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  2. Undying

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    You guys think its worth getting a reference rx5700non xt for 320€?
     
  3. OnnA

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    No, it's not.
    IMhO It's a little overpriced (7nm says hello, not ATI greed)
    Wait for 250-280€ mark for 5700
    or 299-320€ for 5700XT
    or If you can Hunt for Vega 56/64 at 200€ range

    We can't forget that Navi (small Navi) is a new Polaris :cool:
     
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  4. Ryu5uzaku

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    Well tbh in current environment I think it's fine. The prices are not going to be that low in a long time. Also getting used 56 / 64 for that low is going to be hard most likely closer to 250-300€ mark. And then it starts to make sense to invest to that 5700.

    So if one wants a new gpu let's say this year it's fine paying 320€ I think it's quite good value.
     
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  5. Jackalito

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    I'm super happy with the change from Vega56 to 5700XT. Lower power consumption, lower temperatures and higher performance despite the immature drivers :)
     
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    Personally I wouldn't get a reference card at any price, the misery of listening to that cooler just isn't worth it.

    Or rather, "any"price would have to include the price of a good 3rd party cooling solution as well as the time and effort to install it and still be a very competitive alternative for me to consider it.

    YMMV.
     
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    non-xt does use lower power limit. And if one has no desire to bump it up, undervolt can make it reasonably quiet.
    I have modded my card as much as one can w/o going liquid. Good thermals, reasonably quiet.
     
  8. Ryu5uzaku

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    I have my reference 5700 xt in my phanteks enthoo luxe 2 case. It's quite silent actually even when stressed. I did undervolt it tho. Still running 2050 clocks.
     
  9. OnnA

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    AMD Navi 14 and Navi 12 GPUs For Radeon RX Graphics Cards Rumored To Launch in October

    AMD is planning to bring big competition in the mainstream and budget segment with their Navi ‘Radeon RX’ GPUs based on a report by PCGamesN.
    The report is based on a recent listing in the Mesa 3D GPU library which has tagged the addition of PCI IDs for two upcoming Navi GPUs, Navi 12 and Navi 14 as ‘trivial and urgent’.

    Addition of PCI-IDs Tagged As ‘Trivial and Urgent’

    The source reports that AMD’s open-source guru, Marek Olsak, has termed the addition of PCI-IDs for both unreleased Navi GPUs very urgent and if that is to go by anything,
    that means that we will see the support added by the next Mesa update which is version 19.2 which just recently landed.
    It looks like if AMD is planning to drop in support for this specific version then the launch of Radeon RX graphics cards based on the Navi 12 and Navi 14 GPUs may not be that far away.
    And since the new update (version 19.3) doesn’t land till 15th October, it only shows that the new Navi based line would be available before that.

    [​IMG]



    So while we have an estimated time of launch for the new GPUs, we still don’t have concrete info regarding their specifications.
    The Navi 12 and Navi 14 GPUs have definitely seen their fair share of leaks for both performance and specifications but we couldn’t base anything concrete off of them.

    The Polaris 14 GPU has made multiple appearances on the Compubench benchmark database in several different flavors. There are at least three variants which feature 3 GB ‘7340:CF’, 4 GB ‘7340: C1’ and 8 GB ‘7341:00’ VRAM.
    These variants showed different performance metrics with the 3 GB variant falling on-par with the Radeon RX 570 and the other two outpacing the Polaris cards by a slight margin.
    These variants were still very early engineering samples and there is still room for improvement to be seen in the final variants.
    Other specifications include 1536 stream processors with 24 CUs and clock speeds of up to 1900 MHz.

    AMD’s CEO, Lisa Su, already hinted at new RDNA 7nm launches in the coming quarters so we should expect to hear more from them soon.

    Hans Mosesmann

    “Great, And can you give us a sense if you can on 7-nanometer high-end Navi and mobile 7-nanometer CPUs, if you can? Thanks.”

    Lisa Su

    “Hans, you asked the good product questions, I would say they are coming. You should expect that our execution on those are on track and we have a rich 7-nanometer portfolio beyond the products that we have currently announced in the upcoming quarters.”

    via Seeking Alpha

    For the Navi 12 GPU, we don’t have many details and we can’t pinpoint whether it is also an entry-tier chip or something that falls between the Navi 14 and Navi 10 GPUs.
    What we do know is that if they are indeed launching in the coming month, we should definitely expect more details soon.
     
  10. OnnA

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    PS5, Xbox Scarlett won't raise game dev costs, Take-Two CEO says

    Next-gen consoles like PlayStation 5 and Project Scarlett will be a boon for Take-Two's developers, and shouldn't skyrocket development costs for key titles.

    Right now the entire games industry is gearing up for next-gen. Both the PS5 and Project Scarlett consoles pose interesting opportunities for big gameplay performance gains thanks to significant hardware jumps;
    the systems both sport high-end AMD Zen 2 CPU and Navi GPU tech, complete with built-in superfast PCIe 4.0 SSDs, full backward compatibility support, and a strong emphasis on visuals and frame rate perf.

    With these new advancements it stands to reason developers will have to spend more to squeeze out even more performance from the hardware.
    But that's not exactly the case, at least for Take-Two, who's all but confirmed GTA 6 is in the works for next-gen.

    The non-substantial cost bump and next-gen's similarity with PC hardware could translate to a shorter development cycle, too.

    "We don't really expect material cost changes with the new generation. With every new generation it allows us to do more, developers want to do more, and that can cost a bit more. But our current expectations are not that you'll see a cost spike,"

    Take-Two Interactive CEO Strauss Zelnick said at a recent Goldman Sachs entertainment event.

    "In terms of the generation itself, we're really excited about the upcoming technology.
    But to be clear, that technology is going to be pretty similar across console and PC formats.
    Anything that allows our developers to be more creative and push the envelop more that's a great thing for us because that's what we're known for.

    "I think it creates real opportunity and we don't see it as having any negative influence whatsoever on our business and our catalog."


    Check below for more information including confirmed specifications of each system.

    Project Scarlett confirmed details:


    • Zen 2 CPU
    • Navi GPU 4x as powerful as the Xbox One X's 6TFLOPs of perf
    • Super-fast SSD that can be used as VRAM (likely PCIe 4.0)
    • Supports 8K resolution (likely media playback)
    • 120FPS gaming
    • Can deliver up to 40x more performance than Xbox One in specific use cases
    • Raytracing confirmed
    • Backward compatible with Xbox, Xbox 360, and Xbox One games Compatible with Xbox One accessories

    PlayStation 5 confirmed specs:

    • Navi GPU Zen 2 CPU
    • Ultra-fast SSD (likely via PCIe 4.0)
    • Support for 4K 120 Hz TVs
    • Ray-tracing enabled
    • 8K graphics support (probably video, not gaming)
    • Plays all PS4 games
     

  11. MaCk0y

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    It fit in the new build. :)
     
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  12. OnnA

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  14. OnnA

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    AMD GPU Rumors: Navi 12 ‘Radeon RX 5800 Series’ With 256-bit Bus & Navi 14 ‘Radeon RX 5600 Series’ With 128-bit Bus

    There’s a whole bunch of new information for AMD’s upcoming Navi based Radeon RX series that would feature the Navi 12 and Navi 14 GPUs by 3Dcenter.
    It looks like AMD would have a complete lineup versus the RTX SUPER series and the mainstream GTX cards with their own budget and high end options.

    AMD Navi 12 & Navi 14 GPU Rumors – Navi 12 Built For High-End Radeon RX 5800 Series To Tackle RTX 2080, Navi 14 Based Radeon RX 5600 Goes Against Turing GTX Cards

    So we know about the existence of both AMD Navi 12 and Navi 14 GPUs. They have appeared on GPU databases from time to time and we also got to see some specifications and performance of the mainstream Navi 14 based variants.
    But we still don’t know how AMD is going to position these new GPUs and that is where 3DCenter’s forum member, Berniyh, comes in.
    The user dug deep into the latest Linux driver for AMD’s graphics cards and found IDs for both, the Navi 14 & Navi 12 GPU.

    619 case CHIP_ NAVI12 :
    620 info-> num_sdp_interfaces = 16;

    622 CHIP_ NAVI14 :
    623 info-> num_sdp_interfaces = 8;

    3984 if (AMDGPU_IS_ NAVI10 (pInfo-> FamilyID, pInfo-> eRevId))
    3994 pInfo-> gfx9.numSdpInterfaces = 16;

    via 3DCenter Forums

    The two details mentioned in the listings are the pc_lines and num_sdp_interfaces. 3DCenter says that these two details would help distinguish which GPU is the high-end variant and which is AMD’s lower-end variant.
    Just from the sdp_interface number, you can tell that Navi 12 is close to Navi 10 with 16 sdp_interfaces while Navi 14 has half the sdp_interfaces of both chips.
    It is also stated that the SDP_interfaces number coincides with the memory bus and considering the Navi 10 GPUs have a 256-bit bus, so would the Navi 12 GPUs.
    But Navi 14 would offer a smaller bus interface of 128-bit which seems in line with the more budget and entry-level design of this chip as we have seen so far.

    AMD Navi 12 ‘Radeon RX 5800 Series’ GPU Specs
    The AMD Navi 12 GPU is looking to be a much higher-end offering than the Radeon RX 5700 series. Hence we shall call it the Radeon RX 5800 series and as such, it is expected to compete against the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER and the GeForce RTX 2080.
    Based on the specifications posted by 3DCenter, the GPU could offer 30 to 50% more stream processors than Navi 10 which maxes out at 2560 SPs. If that ends up being the case then we can see a core count similar to the RX Vega 56.
    Its also stated that the card would retain a 256-bit bus interface and would utilize GDDR6 memory but we can possibly see faster memory clocks resulting in higher bandwidth.

    However, the source doesn’t rule out the possibility of getting HBM2 memory alongside Navi 12. It is also mentioned because having a 256-bit bus for a higher-end GPU might be slightly inadequate for the chip itself.
    Although NVIDIA’s high-end GPUs like the RTX 2080 SUPER do feature a 256-bit bus and run great, the SUPER variant utilizes higher clocked GDDR6 dies (15.5 Gbps) compared to 14 Gbps of the normal variant.
    Additionally, NVIDIA has multiple technologies that help bandwidth to be efficiently spread across the GPU. AMD could also use binned GDDR6 dies for the RX 5800 series or they can just go for HBM2 spread across a 2048-bit bus interface.
    This would lead to a slight reduction in overall power consumption which could near the 300 Watt wall if GDDR6 is to be a preferred choice.
    Based on the specifications, the performance uplift would be good enough to undercut the RTX 2080 SUPER considering the RX 5700 XT custom variants already come close to the GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER.
    That along with a slightly lower price of around $550-$600 US would result in a great product for high-end users.

    THX to WCCFtech
     
  15. JonasBeckman

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    I don't see AMD putting HBM2 on a higher-end variant of Navi10 so probably GDDR6 though at 256-bit or rather SDP Interfaces at 16 then if it's 256-bit that might hamper bandwidth and overall GPU performance but from what I am reading Vega also had 16 specified though using HBM and depending on type of HBM including the newer variants it might be possible to manage costs a bit though re-engineering the GPU to do HBM fits more with Navi20 than a higher-end variant of Navi10 plus the naming scheme could end up being a 5600 and 5500 instead of 5800 and 5600 but we'll see shortly I suppose. :)

    To clear out Polaris stock and make room for replacements for the 500 series at 5500 and 5600 or to aim for high end with a 5800 and compete against the 2070 or 2080 (Might be a bit optimistic?) well either one could work and Polaris retaining a lower cost but still well performing GPU choice with Navi then taking over Vega and moving to compete with NVIDIA although that's also something I see happening more with the Navi20 but then NVIDIA might be closer to revealing their own work on what they have for 2020 and could also cut pricing of the 2000 series or certain GPU models to clear out existing stock while also interfering with the whole price/performance ratio of AMD's GPU's compared to NVIDIA's closest priced alternative.

    Going to be interesting to see how it turns out. :)
    (Personally I am expecting higher-end to be for next year and AMD populating mid range with these two leaving Navi10 at the high-end segment but I could be wrong.)


    EDIT: But a 5800 for early next year and the 6000 series (Or whatever it will be named.) for near the end of 2020 and Navi20 could also be a possibility, guessing AMD has a roadmap but for now just waiting and seeing what gets unveiled or occasionally also leaked or revealed via the Linux drivers and other sources.
     
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    Yeah forget there are several versions of GDD6 and the most expensive but still cheaper then HBM.

    Samsung’s GDDR6 delivers maximum bandwidth and blazing-fast speed of up to 768GB/s. The 5700 XT only came with about 448 GB/s at stock.
     
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    That's BS from wccftech . 5700xt is already in par with 2070 super. 5800 should be against 2080 and 5800 xt against 2080 super.
     
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    Or better performance. Why base a card release against something that is already out, and doesn't hit the mark? By mark, I mean 4K@60 Ultra.
     
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    The 350-400 mm² "Navi 12" is a whole different beast, with an estimated 64 compute units (4,096 stream processors).
    The big news in the 3DCenter.org report concerns its memory interface. AMD will stick to 256-bit GDDR6 memory with the "Navi 12," and probably dial up memory clocks compared to the 14 Gbps speed the "Navi 10" uses.
    This design choice is influenced by NVIDIA's decision to stick to 256-bit bus width with its "TU104" silicon.

    [​IMG]

    -> https://www.techpowerup.com/259651/amd-navi-14-and-navi-12-gpus-detailed-some-more

    Note:
    As always, if i like it (and it fits our Thread) i will post it.
    Just Copy/Paste as always, im not making any $ on this.
    Is just for Us to have it in one place in order, don't be.... mad about it.
     
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  20. Evildead666

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    Link TPU if you are going to nick their stuff, again.

    Also, DO NOT LINK TO THEIR IMAGES ON THEIR SERVERS (aka cross-site linking) !!!
    If you nick the image, re-host it somewhere like IMGUR or something, and link back to the original page for source.
    They don't pay for their servers bandwidth, to provide images for other sites.

    This is like THE big NO-NO for posting.

    Sorry for being a bitch about it, but its just not right.
     

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