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New Upcoming ATI/AMD GPU's Thread: Leaks, Hopes & Aftermarket GPU's

Discussion in 'Videocards - AMD Radeon' started by OnnA, Jul 9, 2016.

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  1. OnnA

    OnnA Ancient Guru

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    AMD hands TSMC its entire 7nm portfolio: Vega 20, Zen 2 and Navi right around the corner

    Why it matters?
    This is the last piece of the puzzle in AMD's long journey to put its manufacturing strategy in order. Unfortunately this meant dropping Globalfoundries, and taking on TSMC as the go-to partner for its current portfolio.
    TSMC's manufacturing lead over Intel is substantial and AMD aims to capitalize on that.
    Mark Papermaster, CTO of AMD, has announced that the company has finally leveled out its GPU and CPU development and unified everything under a single manufacturing node, at 7nm, handing TSMC the keys to the kingdom.

    In a blog post, the exec explains how the company's long term vision has finally paid off and AMD is now in a position to put its competition between a rock and a hard place with advanced 7nm designs in both GPU and CPU segments, thanks exclusively to the help of TSMC.
    This announcement sets the stage for the departure of GlobalFoundries, AMD's other, oldest, foundry partner.

    The announcement had already been hinted at during several corporate communications, events and calls, however, it is the first time AMD comes forward and effectively drives this narrative.
    Papermaster said "Our work with TSMC on their 7nm node has gone very well and we have seen excellent results from early silicon."

    Papermaster goes on to report that multiple 7nm products have taped out at TSMC. This includes the workstation-class GPU, Vega 20, and the next generation CPU architecture, Zen 2, all manufactured by TSMC.
    Going forward, AMD will focus its entire product portfolio on TSMC's 7nm process, and that includes this year's Vega 20, followed by an early 2019 launch of the Zen 2-based server CPU, Epyc, and later that year, the Navi GPU architecture, the long-awaited 7nm follow-up to Polaris which AMD is now beginning to talk up.

    For more time than most AMD fans would care to remember, the company had relied on GlobalFoundries to cater to its semiconductor manufacturing needs. The results, however, have been a mixed bag.
    GlobalFoundries has tripped itself up more than once while playing catch-up with Intel, having twice nixxed its developing processes.
    It trashed its 14nm development in favor of licensing it off Samsung, and now it has announced it has ended its 7nm node. In the meantime, TSMC, the backup fab for AMD, not only delivered where GlobalFoundries failed, but managed to overtake Intel in manufacturing technology, and this has paid off.

    -> https://community.amd.com/community...mance-leadership-with-focused-7nm-development
     
  2. Maddness

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    I wish they were releasing a 7nm gaming part this year or early next year. Just a die shrunk Vega would probably do pretty well against what the green team is offering.
     
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    With the overwhelming strength of Turing, I can only hope for a stronger RX680, in top of upper mid-range vegas. They aren't for any reason high end anymore. We need a new red leader. So vegas could stop being so expensive, or give us a new kind of juice to drink.

    All RTX series are gonna be stronger than any AMD gpu. At least we need an RX680 to beat 2070. As it seems vega gpus are gonna be between 2060 and 2070.
     

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    I'm very interested to see how AMD cards do at Ray Tracing. With the strength of there compute, it could be very positive moving forward.
     
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    Considering they've had it on their roadmap and in their gpuopen thing for a while now. It should be decent.
     
  7. OnnA

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    We won't have uplift like it was between 28nm to 16nm Die Shrink.
    Similar New Vega 2 (and Navi) will have nice boost from 14nm to 7nm transition (35-50%?)
    IMO in DeusEx MkD game test we have 1080Ti then my Vega64 XTX then 2080 in 1440p....
    Don't foget that 2080 have ~600 Cuda Cores less than 1080Ti therefore is simply imposible to Beat 1080Ti/Xp GPU.
    2080Ti have +700 cuda cores more but less than Titan V -> guys do the math, be more conservative.

    ============ Something more or less like this chart============================
    Titan-V [5120 Cores on 815mm2 Die size ~2xVega 64 Size !]
    2080Ti [4352 Cores]
    1080Ti [3584 Cores] (in Time with new games coming old Pacal will not receive too much of drivers 'magic')
    Vega 64 XTX (so in couple of months my XTX will catch up with 1080Ti, not in every game tho)
    2080 [2944 Cores] -> will go up in time
    Vega 64 -> will go up in time
    Vega 56 -> will go up in time
    1080 [2560 Cores] -> will go down a little in time
    2070 [2304 Cores] -> will go up in time
    1070Ti [2432 Cores] -> will go down a little in time
    1070 [1920 Cores] -> will go down a little in time and eventually RX580 8GB will catch up
    RX580 -> will go up in time

    ====================================================================
    Friendly bet someone? (Save this and show us in March 2019 :D)

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    We will test:
    DeusEx MkD (Heavy game, good Optimisation)
    BF1 & BFV (Heavy on CPU game, good Optimisation)
    New Tomb Raider 1,2,3 (Heavy game, fine Optimisation)
    Forza H3/H4 and MS7 (Medium game, Best Optimisation)
    Dirt & Dirt 4 (Medium game, Best Optimisation)
    Doom & Wolf + Doom Eternal (Heavy game, Best Optimisation)
    AC: Odyssey (Heavy game fine/good Optimisation, this time is ATI title, so we shall see)
     
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    AMD Confirms New 7nm Radeon Graphics Cards Launching in 2018

    Earlier this week the company confirmed in a press release, and later President and CEO Dr. Su confirmed in an interview with Marketwatch, that AMD is on track to launch the world’s first 7nm graphics cards this year.
    While the world’s first 7nm CPUs, built on the company’s next generation Zen 2 x86 64-bit core, are on track to be on-shelves next year.

    “AMD’s next major milestone is the introduction of our upcoming 7nm product portfolio, including the initial products with our second generation “Zen 2” CPU core and our new “Navi” GPU architecture.
    We have already taped out multiple 7nm products at TSMC, including our first 7nm GPU planned to launch later this year and our first 7nm server CPU that we plan to launch in 2019″
    The company had already demonstrated working 7nm GPU silicon back in June at Computex, which has been sampling since and is set to be available for purchase later this year.
    Based on an improved iteration of the Vega architecture which debuted last year, 7nm Vega is nothing short of a beast.
    The new GPU supports intrinsic AI instructions and features four HBM2 8GB stacks running across a 4096-bit memory interface for a total of 32GB vRAM.

    AMD’s 7nm Vega is a Monster – 1.25x Turing’s Compute at Half The Size

    Whilst the company hasn’t disclosed detailed specifications relating to the new GPU we could reasonably expect around one terabyte/s of memory bandwidth,
    higher clock speeds and significantly better power efficiency thanks to TSMC’s leading-edge 7nm process technology, which has reportedly enabled the company to extract an unbelievable 20.9 TFLOPS of graphics compute out of 7nm Vega, according to one source.
    If true, it would make it the world’s first 20 TFLOPS GPU.

    That figure is simply unheard of especially out of a chip of this size, which Anandtech estimates to be roughly 336mm² large.
    To put this into perspective, if accurate, the figure would put it 25% ahead of NVIDIA’s most powerful GPU yet, the 754mm² monster Turing GPU.
    All the while Vega 20 allegedly achieves this with half the silicon real-estate.*

    CEO Dr. Su had confirmed at the same event in June that AMD will in fact be bringing 7nm GPUs to gamers, although she did not provide any additional details.
    This has led to speculation as to whether 7nm Vega will ever make it to the gaming market, or if gamers will have to wait until the company’s successor codenamed Navi next year.
    The red team has very clearly been keeping its cards very close to its chest and if 7nm Vega is all it’s cracked up to be, we might see them surprise us with an ace or two later this year.

    * Size that matters most, price->performance point will be avesome
    Hmm, maby we will have HD4xxx like sucess again :D
     
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    Highly unlikely it's a gaming 7nm card. At least not until 2020 from what AMD have said in the past. Although it would be very awesome off they did manage something for us gamers.
     
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    I can tell for sure that something is going on at Radeon side of Gaming.
    We shall see, until Spring we will have some new Leaks/News for sure.

    Now im waiting for new Adrenalin in December :D (I don't want to Hype too much, but IMO it will be Big)
     

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    There is supposed to be a polaris refresh coming sometime soon. But no Vega gaming on 7nm. Unless AMD have changed things, but not let it out of the bag yet. So atm, we need to wait on Navi for the next higher performance cards.
     
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    Vega64, Navi, PowerVR & NextGen consoles :D

     
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    AMD Fast-tracks 7nm "Navi" GPU to Late-2018 Alongside "Zen 2" CPU

    AMD is unique in the world of computing as the only company with both high-performance CPU and GPU products.
    For the past several years we have been executing our multi-generational leadership product and architectural roadmap. Just in the last 18 months, we successfully introduced and ramped our strongest set of products in more than a decade and our business has grown dramatically as we gained market share across the PC, gaming and datacenter markets.

    The industry is at a significant inflection point as the pace of Moore's Law slows while the demand for computing and graphics performance continues to grow.
    This trend is fueling significant shifts throughout the industry and creating new opportunities for companies that can successfully bring together architectural, packaging, system and software innovations with leading-edge process technologies.
    That is why at AMD we have invested heavily in our architecture and product roadmaps, while also making the strategic decision to bet big on the 7nm process node.
    While it is still too early to provide more details on the architectural and product advances we have in store with our next wave of products, it is the right time to provide more detail on the flexible foundry sourcing strategy we put in place several years ago.

    AMD's next major milestone is the introduction of our upcoming 7nm product portfolio, including the initial products with our second generation "Zen 2" CPU core and our new "Navi" GPU architecture.
    We have already taped out multiple 7nm products at TSMC, including our first 7nm GPU planned to launch later this year and our first 7nm server CPU that we plan to launch in 2019. Our work with TSMC on their 7nm node has gone very well and we have seen excellent results from early silicon. To streamline our development and align our investments closely with each of our foundry partner's investments, today we are announcing we intend to focus the breadth of our 7nm product portfolio on TSMC's industry-leading 7nm process.
    We also continue to have a broad partnership with GLOBALFOUNDRIES spanning multiple process nodes and technologies.
    We will leverage the additional investments GLOBALFOUNDRIES is making in their robust 14nm and 12nm technologies at their New York fab to support the ongoing ramp of our AMD Ryzen, AMD Radeon and AMD EPYC processors.
    We do not expect any changes to our product roadmaps as a result of these changes.

    We are proud of the long-standing and successful relationships we have built with our multiple foundry partners, and we will continue to strengthen these relationships to enable the manufacturing capacity required to support our product roadmaps.
    I look forward to providing more details on those innovations as we prepare to introduce the industry's first 7nm GPU later this year and our first 7nm CPUs next year.

    S: TechPowerUp
     
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    I'm really really interested in seeing the RyZen 2 on 7nm. It should be an absolute beast. Will definitely upgrade my 6900k when these come out.
     

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    The title is misleading, late 2018 is going to be Vega 20. NAVI will come in my opinion summer 2019 the soonest :/
     
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    We take everyting as always with grain of salt :D (or with bag ;))
    IMO we will have something new till summer 2019....
    It will be Vega2 Im 99% sure of that.

    Better, refined smaler chip with more than 4096 shaders ;)
     
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    Yes and given Terry tweet hoppefully some performance and Ray Traycing optimizations in December driver :D
     
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    Also check out Shadows: Awakening Test in 4k :D
    I was surprised by the performance :eek: of Vega as well as Fury & Rx580
     
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    AMD teases next-gen Navi GPU architecture for 7nm portfolio

    We already know that AMD worked closely with Sony on the Navi GPU architecture for the next-gen PlayStation 5 console, but now AMD is officially talking about the Navi architecture filling out its 7nm portfolio and making a point that its one of their next major milestones in the family. AMD is a little cryptic and throwing some people off by saying that their first 7nm GPU will launch "later this year" with some thinking it'll be Navi, but this will be their Vega 20 GPU.

    Interestingly, we see AMD has "already taped out multiple 7nm products at TSMC" which include not just the 7nm GPU, but their first 7nm server CPU that will be launched in 2019.
    AMD adds: "Our work with TSMC on their 7nm node has gone very well and we have seen excellent results from early silicon. To streamline our development and align our investments closely with each of our foundry partner's investments, today we are announcing we intend to focus the breadth of our 7nm product portfolio on TSMC's industry-leading 7nm process".

    AMD continues: "We also continue to have a broad partnership with GLOBALFOUNDRIES spanning multiple process nodes and technologies. We will leverage the additional investments GLOBALFOUNDRIES is making in their robust 14nm and 12nm technologies at their New York fab to support the ongoing ramp of our AMD Ryzen, AMD Radeon and AMD EPYC processors.
    We do not expect any changes to our product roadmaps as a result of these changes". amd-teases-next-gen-navi-gpu-architecture-7nm-portfolio_16 This will see AMD overtake NVIDIA as the node leader with NVIDIA currently making GPUs on both the 16nm and 12nm processes, while AMD will reach 7nm later this year.

    The current-gen Vega GPU architecture might not have been impressive on 14nm, but the shift to 7nm with fixes that AMD has made along the way should prove worthy as a competitor in the workstation GPU market.
    AMD might not have the foothold that its competitor does, but if we do see something close to a 20TLOPs compute product, eyebrows will be raised. Navi on 7nm should be unveiled somewhere in 2H 2019, where I'm sure we'll see the bigger picture of Navi closer to Computex 2019 and even beyond.
    It will surely have to be as close as humanly possible to the unveiling of the PS5... because as soon as we know details about Navi, we'll be able to piece together how good the PS5 will be.

    Expect an 8C/16T processor in the form of a Ryzen 7 2700-esque offering in the new PS5.
    Separate GPU and CPU? I've been told to expect a discrete GPU, but that would mean the PS5 has some beast-like hardware... even on PC standards as we'll only be getting 7nm GPUs with Navi.
     
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