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New Upcoming ATI/AMD GPU's Thread: Leaks, Hopes & Aftermarket GPU's

Discussion in 'Videocards - AMD Radeon' started by OnnA, Jul 9, 2016.

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  1. OnnA

    OnnA Ancient Guru

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    AMD 7nm Vega 20 GPUs May Break The 20 TFLOPs Barrier, Estimations Reveal – Require Lots of Power, Really Expensive To Make

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    AMD is preparing their brand new 7nm based Vega 20 GPUs which will be featured inside the next-gen Radeon Instinct products. AMD talked about the new GPU at Computex 2018, giving us a sneak peek at the upcoming server parts but a detailed analysis has been done by Ascii.jp which reveals it to be an HPC powerhouse in the making.


    AMD is the first and only GPU maker to announce a 7nm product which will be launching in the 2nd half of 2018, as confirmed by AMD themselves.
    The new 7nm process based Vega 20 GPU will come with a range of new features while offering twice the density compared to 14nm Vega 10 GPU since AMD is packing more stuff in a smaller die and will also be twice as much efficient due to enhanced architecture design and process maturation.

    The Vega 20 GPUs are tailor-made and optimized for HPC, Automotive and AI markets. As such, they have been equipped with new Deep Learning OPs, HPC algorithms and outfitted with the latest I/O interface (PCIe 4.0).
    With all the new tech and process enhancements involved, Vega 20 can turn out to be a compute powerhouse, allowing RTG to tackle their competitor’s HPC solution, the Tesla V100,
    which has been in the market for over a year nowBased on the estimation done by Ascii.jp, they are rounding the die size of the Vega 20 chip around 360mm2 while the Vega 10 chip measured at 484mm2. So that’s about a 70% reduction in the total die size.

    But here’s the thing, according to GloFo, 7nm LPP offers a 2.8 times increase in logic density which means AMD is using their own cell library rather than Global Foundries which comes with a 2x increase over the 2.8x increase as GloFo states.If the Vega 20 GPU was to be made on a 14nm LPP process, it would have measured at 720mm2. If the same calculation is driven to form a relation between the GPU die and Compute units, we would get up to 88 CUs (up to 96 CUs) on such a chip.

    That’s a 37.5% jump from the current 64 CU design on the Vega 10.It is being concluded that the extra space could mean a grouping of extra CUs on the chip. If that is the case, which seems unlikely since we have seen previous information and slides mentioning 64 CUs on the Vega 20 GPU, the other factor that would be considered is the frequency. Now the clock rate on 7nm LPP is a big trick, you either get 55% power savings from the same frequency as 14nm or you can get 40% faster clock rates from the same power as 14nm.
    Here’s the thing though, if you were to aim for 40% faster clocks at the same power package, you’d also have to feed power to the extra HBM2 VRAM (4 Stacks vs 2 Stacks), the new DNN instruction sets.

    The power package under such a scenario would easily exceed 400W.

    So taking a more conservative approach, the site estimates a 20% jump in clocks, saving around 30-40% power (300-350W), and a performance jump of 65%.
    This would lead to a jump from 12.66 TF to 20.9 TF.
    A remarkable jump indeed which would blow past the Tesla V100 (15.7 TFLOPs at max) in a 300W package.
    This is all theory at the moment but even without a core bump, the clock speed estimates are very likely to happen so it would be a jump in performance for HPC regardless.

    Also Vega 64 XTX has ~14.5 TF 1750/950
    OC to 1770/1200 and you have >16TF (So Raw PowaH is 2x of Fiji uArch)
    Somewhat correct when you look at Games Benchies & 3Dmark ;)
     
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    AOC announces the Q3279VWFD8 1440p IPS Monitor with FreeSync

    Display specialist AOC announces the Q3279VWFD8, a sibling to the 31.5" Q3279VWF, a superb allrounder from the well-received 79 series, which debuted last autumn and received huge appraisal for its extraordinary price/performance ratio.

    The new monitor, Q3279VWFD8 uses a different panel type - IPS - rather than the VA panel used in its older brother and boasts a wider colour gamut for increased colour accuracy and therefore more vivid, natural and eye-catching imagery.
    The Q3279VWFD8's 31.5" IPS panel offers a highly detailed QHD resolution (2560x1440 pixels), 5 ms GtG response time, AMD FreeSync support and 75 Hz refresh rate.

    Aimed at particularly budget conscious home power users, internet cafés and everyone who is after jaw-dropping specs without breaking the bank are going to be well-served with the Q3279VWFD8.The Q3279VWFD8 boasts a huge 31.5" IPS panel and QHD (2560x1440 pixels) resolution, resulting in fine details, a lot of screen real estate for increased productivity, and a comfortable pixel density for daily usage. While the panel and its specifications speak for itself, the exterior design of this monitor also takes the users' breath away: the glossy black finish of its narrow bezels, stand and rear cover creates a pleasing contrast with its sturdy, weighty base in silver finish.

    Thanks to the wide viewing angles of 178/178° achieved by its IPS panel, friends & families sitting together are going to enjoy the vivid imagery at the same time without experiencing a colour shift. The 8-bit+FRC panel delivering 1.07 billion crisp colours and offers 88% coverage of the NTSC colour gamut help reproduce much more vivid colours including vibrant reds, deep blues, and lush greens with a high, 200:1 contrast ratio.

    The QHD (2560x1440 pixels) resolution of the Q3279VWFD8 enables not only detailed photos and videos, but also games. The blend of 75 Hz refresh rate, 5 ms GtG, and AMD FreeSync support produces a fast, tear-free gameplay experience and without any additional input lag or stutter.

    The Q3279VWFD8 offers a wide range of connectivity, including legacy sources such as VGA and DVI as well as HDMI an DisplayPort, therefore is capable of connecting various game consoles, PCs, laptops, set-top boxes and many more. A 3.5mm jack connector is foreseen to connect headphones or an external speakerset. AOC's Clear Vision technology improves clarity and vividness when viewing Standard Definition (SD) content. AOC's Flicker-Free technology also eliminates flicker by using Direct Current (DC) for regulating brightness instead of Pulse Width Modulation (PWC) and reduces eye-fatigue when using the monitor in long hours.

    The 31.5" Q3279VWFD8 will be available from July 2018 with an MSRP of £219 / 249 EUR/USD.
    -> https://au.aoc.com/product_5447_Q3279VWFD8_monitor_AUSTRALIA.php

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    A bit disappointing that it's only 75hz freesync range. Vega would be able to do around 100fps in some games with adjusted settings. Freesync monitors should have a minimum of 100hz nowadays.
     
  4. OnnA

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    Yup, 30-120/144 is way to go nowdays :D
    My Next OLED will have it all: HDR/FS2/144 etc.
     
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    Yeah, that is what I'm looking for myself.
     
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    Do you consider some Vega? or you will get Turing?
    IMO nv will give some more tW was 180--> is 220 but with little better performance (1180 will meet Vega64 for sure)
    That's assuming they will Deliver another same uArch ;)

    If not then they will introduce Hardware Sheduler for sure along with some ASYNC similar tech for better VLK/DX12 Support,
    Theirs Soft. Sheduler is >10Years Old and remembers fermi lol (Of course it is more Hi tech now)

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    Here my 1560MHz score at wooping 122tW :D (notch better than Default 1080FE from Guru Shoot out)

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    I have enquired in my country to see if i can get a factory Watercooled Vega like yours. Will see if they are able.
     
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    IMO You'll be surprised by the Image Quality, then if conected to FreeSync also with Performance.
    FPS are here, even in Low Optimised Games like AC: O or Ghost Recon :D (Yes only older UBI games have drops)
    New ones like: The Crew 2 & The Division 2 working flawlessly for everyone.

    Set your Chill to 70-144 or 63-120/144
    Don't set Chill for FPPS like BF4/1/V or R6: S
     
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    Radeon Picasso

    Almost 10 months ago a rumor about mysterious codenames of AMD future products had appeared. According to the leaked slide, AMD was planning to introduce Mattise as Pinnacle Ridge successor.
    That would be the first Zen2-based processor. The slide also listed Pinnacle Ridge as Summit Ridge replacement, and that happened just a few months ago.

    The same slide further listed Picasso as Raven Ridge successor. Interestingly, Radeon Picasso has been discovered by the 3rd software recently and is currently listed at UserBenchmark database under 15D8 Device ID.
    Sadly, no benchmark results are available right now, but that ID is enough of a reason to consider this leak plausible. Current Raven Ridge APUs are carrying 15DD ID.
     
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    Wow, Vega faster than 1080 even in AC:eek:rigins. The hell has frozen.
    V64 with HDR is probably on 1080Ti level in Battlefront 2 and Battlefield 1.
     
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    What? (i tell you this many times need more FPS go nV, Want better Image Quality go for ATI Radeon, no Magic just Driver Tweaks + They in DX11.0 for almost a decade so no brainer here)
    They have optimisations on Driver level, one of those is Less RGB and 4.2.2 as this will save bandwidth & give more FPS.

    Also consider this test in 1440p :oops: (15FPS gain for V64/56?)

    It's logical, action/reaction :p
    Look at tFLOPS ;)
    (Vega LC have ~14.5tFLOPs, Default Blower Vega has 13.7tFLOPS)

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    UPD. Here some ppl on Reddit (why it is that way)

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    It's all related to memory bandwidth. NV has less bandwidth but their compression hw is very effective. However, when you move to HDR, compression becomes slower to do (many fold increase in color data), so the bandwidth it saves is negated somewhat by the time it takes to compress.
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    Plus, with a 64x wider gamut, the average compression ratio is going to suffer (e.g. where 4 pixels may have been the same colour before, with HDR they now have differences in the 2 least significant bits)
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    Yeah it would make memory bottlenecks more pronounced.
    Thus it affects games differently since some games are more memory bandwidth sensitive than others, so it explains the CB.de's results of different games well.
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    Side note:

    Also YCbCr 4:2:2, 10-bit color depth <- this is not True 10Bits and definitely not an HDR capable color Spectrum ;)
    (only 4.4.4 Full RGB can do HDR properly + Any Radeon have this on Default, 7xxx/280X/290/390/Fury/Polaris/Vega)
     
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    :eek: How cheap it must be when 1.000.000 order is on Table?
    Also HBM_2 2x4GB is now sold at ~37-47 USD (Samsung Fab)
    But it is more complicated as a whole Tech with Interposer etc. ;) 65-70USD maby?

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    “We had an outstanding second quarter with strong revenue growth, margin expansion and our highest quarterly net income in seven years,”
    said Dr. Lisa Su, AMD president and CEO.
    “Most importantly, we believe our long-term technology bets position us very well for the future. We are confident that with the continued execution of our product roadmaps, we are on an excellent trajectory to drive market share gains and profitable growth.”

    -> http://ir.amd.com/news-releases/new...reports-second-quarter-2018-financial-results
     
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    I think that if amd has a gddr6 card in the works , it might be ok, they could basically ship a mid range card with a 128-192bit bus and still have more bandwidth than last gen at a similar cost or lower cost.

    7gbps x 256 /8 = ~224gb/s
    8 chips x 18.88 euros = 151 euros

    8gbps x 256bit /8 = ~256gb/s
    cost 8 chips x 20 euros = 160 euros

    14gbps x 128bit /8 = 224gb/s
    4chips x 22.50 euro = 90euro

    14gbps x 192bit /8 = ~336gb/s
    6 chips x 22.50 euro = 135 euros

    potentially less memory may be a downside, but if amd has a HBC implementaion for gddr6 cards, it wont matter that much.
     
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    ^ Yup, but HBC is heavily dependant on the HBM Latency & Speed.
    No matter cuz' the GDDR (Old tech BTW) is way too slow (please don't look at GPU-z ;) )

    We can make Test in OclMemBench.exe i will Hit ~550-600GB/s and normal Fury with OC will hit ~380GB/s (with Fox Tweak >420GB/s)
    All other GDDR 5/5x/6 will stay low at 250-300GB/s
    All is good on paper & In GPU-z but Reality of HBM2 speed is another story :D :oops:

    IMO, The Best GPU in the World?
    Vega Frontier XTX LC 16GB HBM_2 (But 1700€ is way too much if you want Game with it)
     
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    They will have to tune component selection. To get touch screen, you have to 1st select IR camera.
    Minimal configuration for notebook I liked was $1895.

    They kind of overpriced some of components there. Same configuration with A12 APU came at $900~1000.

    On other hand, 735/745/755 G5 kind of disappeared for time. At least they are coming.
     
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