New Upcoming ATI/AMD GPU's Thread: Leaks, Hopes & Aftermarket GPU's Part 2

Discussion in 'Videocards - AMD Radeon' started by WhiteLightning, Sep 28, 2018.

  1. Fox2232

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    Likely larger portion of all tech forums members which build their own PCs on entire planet. Rest buy premade or ask system builders to deliver now as they want it in their respective "now" moment.

    It's not like Turing sales crashed or anything like it, right?
     
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    AMD's Navi 21 GPU to have 80 CUs according to yet another leak


    80 CUs translate to 5120 stream processors (assuming the same ratio as GCN) and if AMD is able to run these at a minimum of 1700 MHz, you are looking at an astounding 17.5 TFLOPs of power. Considering this is 7nm, AMD should easily be able to hit that (unless they run into TBP constraints) although you are still looking at quite a steep power draw of around 300W (not that any gamer in the high-end segment cares about power draw).

    Twitter user _rogame also created a compilation of the leaked specifications and this is a great table for reference purposes:

    [​IMG]
     
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    So basically it has a chance to beat 3080Ti.... Some sources indicate it would be on par or slightly better than 3080, some that it will beat 3080Ti, some even think it would near the 3090s performance.... For me anything on par or better than 3080Ti is enough and I would be happy with it if the price/perf would be right.



    We'll see... crossing my fingers and cheering for AMD!
     
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  4. Saabjock

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    I keep hearing guys state that AMD should wait until Nvidia releases their own GPU to see what's being offered...before doing the same.
    I say, that is a really bad idea.
    By that time, it is a bit too late. You've already lost a potential sale.
    If AMD has a good product in hand...one that is finished...they should release it as soon as it is ready.
    They're always going to be the dedicated buyers...guys who only buy one brand or the other and that's okay.
    What you don't want as a company, is to have your perspective customers buying the competitor's offerings out of sheer excitement at owning a new product.
    Waiting to see what your competition has in hand means they beat you to the sale...regardless of what you release afterward.
    If I have $600-700...or whatever the cost is for a good AMD GPU, there is only a very slight chance I will sell that to replace it with even an Nvidia $1000-1200 GPU offering a few speed percentage point released afterward.
    Either way...whether it is resold or not, it is a sale done and dusted.
    It thereby denies one more sale for the competition.
     
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    @Saabjock well I would just looooove for AMD to release their cards before NV does.... BUT..... even if they would wait two days after the NV announcement to just adjust their prices... won't it be a smart strategy? Especially if they have some really competetive products this time...
     
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    Even two days in a competitive and eagerly anticipated market, is a head-start.
    The long-waited anticipation mean these thing will sell like 'hot-cakes' once released.
    A lot of potential sales (lost revenue to the competition) can occur in two days.
    Who ever is last at release, will have to make a ton of press announcements on that date stating their exact release date, to somehow spoil the party.
    It'd also have to be within days to gain any benefit, since gamers aren't exactly known for their ability to hold out on new products.
    Either way, getting a good working and competitively priced product to market first, will determine the sales moving forward.
     
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    Something else IF you are going with a paper launch and then two days later (e.g. from AMD) you have actually a good product announcement incl. benchmarks on preorder... but these are just ... peanuts we are arguing on....
    We can settle for --- both of the companies would need to offer the best product for the end consumer be it from price or performance perspective.... or both... and this.... ASAP... cause you know... I've got also this itch on my finger that is place on the "buy" button... :p:D

    I mean... I could just buy "the best of the best" throwing out two or three thousand of dollars without even blinking.... BUT I actually CARE of what a company represents... that is why I have defended myself from the green goblin since.... well... GeForce2 (not MX) :cool:
    Been an ATi/AMD fan because they supported open source, they were smaller... and they have matched what I've thought was good in the software/hardware market...
    Still itching for the best price/performance but knowing the green goblin they will start again to cheat and go full on with closed source black box proprietary software libraries...
    Even then IF they would present a product that would be 50% better (price/perf) compared to AMD I just MIGHT switch this time...
     
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    As I have stated.....Gamers aren't exactly known for their ability to hold out where new products are concerned.
    It can't be a paper launch either.
    They'll absolutely need to have actual product ready to sell...and lots of it...from day one.
    That is imperative this time around.
    If they don't, they'll get their ass handed to them.
     
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    Let's hope this will be a really bloody battle this time between two juggernauts and not Goliath and David... not again... we need to have clear two top performers this time...
     
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    The prices will be arbitrary. If you wait for NV to price things, we'll have more of the same overpricing we have already. But I guess they already figured out how much the public is willing to pay, so we have ourselves to blame. We bought the overpriced gear, and told them to shear us some more.

    Plus all this R&D and new fabs and such cost money, so I don't think there will be a reduction in prices.

    Besides, either side can adjust MSRP at a moment's notice.
     

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    You are 100% right about the pricing structure.
    The minute they figured guys would pay outrageous prices for those Nvidia cards, the game changed.
    I do not see it going below what it is now (for either company) where the top-end GPUs are concerned.
    Nvidia started that trend but AMD saw that people would be willing to pay it, so they'll follow suit.
    Look at the CPU market and you'll see a similar example.
     
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    BUT AMD needs a win on the market share, at same price/performance people will choose nvidia so they need lower prices for same or better performance.

    Once they are close to nvidia in market share... yep, prices will go up again.
     
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    I would also like them to release there next gen Navi cards before Nvidia. Really take the initiative and take the fight to them. It really would be great to see them on the front foot.
     
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    If the prices continues to go up then about 30-40% of PC Players (Those who can't afford $1500+ GPU) will switch to Consoles.
    nV as well as ATI will loose Big on that.

    PPL just leave their PCs to usuall stuff and Play games on consoles.
    For 899-999€ You'll have both PS5 & XboX SX, so no brainer.

    And this (Thx nV o_O) will be over of PC Gaming as we know it....

    We have now stable situation on CPU front Thx to AMD. If not for them we will be on 4C for 400€ still :) and 8/16 and more priced at regular +1000€ o_O
    We need ATI to stabilise GPU front now.

    [​IMG]
     
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    As you've stated...
    Waiting to react is not always the best marketing strategy.
    If the product is a good one and priced reasonably, it will sell itself.
    If the competitor's pricing is outrageous...even if their product is faster at release, the word will already be out there by virtue of guys having used the product with a level of satisfaction.
     
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    AMD RDNA 2 ‘Navi 2X’ GPU Rumors: No HBM2 Memory, Radeon RX ‘Big Navi’ Graphics Card Launch in November, Next-Gen RDNA 3 With Chiplet Design

    The rumored information comes from AquariusZi (via @davideneco) who is a well-known name in the tech scene at the PTT forums.
    The user was the first to list down expected die sizes of AMD's RDNA 2 GPUs and has now shed some more light on what we can expect from the upcoming Navi 2X line of GPUs for next-generation Radeon RX graphics cards.

    AMD's First RDNA 2 GPU, Big Navi, Is Expected For Launch in November But No AIB Partners Have The Chip Yet

    This is the second rumor which seems to suggest that AMD's first RDNA 2 GPU or Big Navi for the Radeon RX graphics card segment will be introduced in Q4 2020.
    The source points out the launch in November 2020 and also mentions that there are no orders for the Navi GPU yet which reveals that we might only get a reference flavor at launch with custom boards arriving months later.

    Based on this information, it seems like that AIBs would miss out on the launch window for offering their custom designs for Big Navi. Meanwhile, NVIDIA custom designs for its next-gen Ampere GPU lineup have already leaked out.
    Considering that this is AMD's flagship part, the reference design will have to be solid enough to give enthusiasts a reason to buy it at launch or they would have to wait for custom variants to arrive with no specific launch date.
    Some users could simply grab the reference variants and wait till water block manufacturers deliver their own cooling blocks for the Big Navi GPU.


    AMD's RDNA 2 Gaming GPU Lineup Won't Feature HBM2 Memory or 2.5D Design

    The second bit of information is regarding the memory design and the source says that RDNA 2 GPUs, at least the gaming variants, will not be getting HBM2 memory or a 2.5D design.
    Earlier, it was reported that Big Navi GPU based Radeon RX graphics cards would feature 16 GB of GDDR6 memory along a 512-bit bus interface. This would essentially double the memory capacity & bus size over Navi 10.

    At the same time, there have been references within AMD's GPU drivers which suggest HBM2 memory for AMD's Big Navi GPUs. Spotted by FreeDesktop (via Videocardz),
    it is mentioned that a 2048-bit bus interface may happen however this would suggest two variants of the Big Navi GPU since HBM2 memory requires a 2.5D design leading to a vastly different chip design due to the different memory controllers.

    It is highly likely that AMD will retain GDDR6 for its next-generation RDNA 2 gaming graphics cards but we may see a workstation or prosumer tuned variant with HBM2 memory.
    Again, this is just a theory at this point and I will personally stick with GDDR6 for Big Navi.

    AMD's Enthusiast & Mainstream RDNA 2 GPUs Will Utilize The TSMC 7nm+ Process Node?

    One thing that AMD hasn't made it very clear till now is what process node would the RDNA 2 GPUs utilize. While AMD's Zen 3 is confirmed for 7nm+,
    the RDNA 2 GPUs are mentioned on 7nm process node since the earliest of roadmaps however AMD has since pointed out that just like the Zen CPU updated roadmap, 7nm doesn't mean that it can't be an enhanced version of the node.

    According to AquariusZi, AMD's flagship and mainstream RDNA 2 GPUs will utilize the TSMC 7nm+ process node.
    He also mentions the entry-level Navi GPU but doesn't mention what node it would utilize.

    AMD's Next-Generation RDNA 3 GPUs To Feature Revolutionary Chiplet Design

    Lastly, the rumor points out AMD's next-generation RDNA 3 GPUs and mentions that the GPU is currently in the early design and test phase but will feature the most revolutionary GPU design in the form of a chiplet architecture.
    The RDNA 3 chips will bring the same design methodology as Zen 2 but for GPUs, allowing AMD to mix and match several GPU IPs together.

    The most interesting part in all of this is that the source doesn't mention a specific node but calls out the 'Advanced Node' as more of a technical term where AMD will utilize several different nodes for the various chiplets embedded on the same interposer.
    There's a likelihood that AMD will be separating the main graphics dies from the I/O dies like Zen 2.

    We can see the I/O such as memory controllers and other IPs featured on different nodes than the main GPU dies.
    It's too early to talk about RDNA 3 GPUs at the moment but we can expect to hear more on AMD's chiplet endeavors for the GPU side in 2021 with an expected launch in 2022.

    [​IMG]
     
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    While the product is still under development and not out of testing...is one thing.
    It is a completely different thing if after all of that is over, AMD sits back waiting to see Nvidia's hand.
    They stand to lose a lot of sales using that approach.
    You have to factor a world wide audience...not just North America.
    As bad as Nvidia has been in terms of pricing to consumers, they've already established a track record of workable products.
    With the exception of Fermi and one other 'nuclear' card...(name escapes me)... they have not had too many large-scale failures.
    Most people...myself included are willing to forgive AMD's past transgressions and give them a second look.
    A lot of my interest is sparked by the reorganization and their better product line all around.
    I am simply stating the thought process for new hardware relative to old.
    Most folks will find something in the Ampere line-up when it is released.
    AMD needs to get ahead of that.
     
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    I think it will be a mistake not to have AIB's involved at launch.
    They may miss out on a lot of sales during the Xmas season because of it.
    Sounds like availability will be short?
     
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