New Upcoming ATI/AMD GPU's Thread: Leaks, Hopes & Aftermarket GPU's Part 2

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  1. GamerBoyManuel16

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    Damn :D expected a spoiler button directly but its in Insert.. spoiler
    but i tried to wrap it manually into the tags and it works too :)
     
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    I really give away as much as I can but most stuff is very secret and I cannot share.
     
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    AMD's High-End Radeon RX Graphics Card With Navi 21 GPU Rumored To Be Twice As Fast As Navi 10 - Features 505mm2 Die Size & GDDR6 Memory + HBM2 Variant possible (144Hz 1440p Gaming NP):

    It looks like AMD's high-end Radeon RX Navi 21 GPU specifications have started to leak out with reports from the Far East claiming that the next-generation GPU could be twice as fast as Navi 10.
    According to the folks over at the Chinese PTT forums, a high-end Navi GPU has been taped out and is headed for launch next year in 2020.
    The details were posted by a Chinese Forum member who lists down several key specifications of the upcoming high-end Navi GPU.
    We know that AMD's current Radeon RX lineup is based on the 7nm process node and is part of the first generation RDNA family.
    The 2nd generation RDNA family is expected to make use of the advanced 7nm+ process node which should offer leverages in the overall performance efficiency while allowing even more dense designs to be made possible.

    The rumor states that AMD's high-end Navi GPU, which is being referred to as the Navi 21 GPU, has been taped out.
    The chip has a die size of 505mm2 which is twice as big as Navi 10 which has a die size of 251mm2.
    This is even bigger than AMD's Vega 20 GPU which had a die size of 331mm2, so it could mean that we are looking at a powerhouse of a chip which should definitely be faster than anything AMD has released yet.
    The AMD Vega 20 GPU featured 13.2 Billion transistors so the Navi 21 GPU could exceed 15-16 Billion transistors which would make the chip far denser than anything else on the market.

    In terms of performance, the Navi 21 GPU is said to be at least twice as fast as the Navi 10 GPU.
    The Radeon RX 5700 XT is the best case for the Navi 10 GPU and it comes close to the GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER, so the Navi 21 GPU could exceed the RTX 2080 SUPER's performance and even end up coming close to the RTX 2080 Ti.
    This might explain why we were hearing rumors of NVIDIA's RTX 2080 Ti SUPER in the works.

    With that said, the clock speeds have not been stated yet which would play a bigger role in determining the final performance of the card.
    Also, it should be said that a GPU of this size would consume a lot of power and a TDP around 275-300W is a given since the Navi 10 GPU has a TDP of 225W.

    It is also stated that given the huge die size of the GPU itself, the card would end up not using HBM memory but would rather rely on GDDR6 memory. This would mean that we are likely to get a 384 or 512-bit memory interface which should either give us 12 GB or 16 GB memory. AMD could go one step ahead and offer 24 or even 32 GB of GDDR6 products since this would end up being their flagship 2020 graphics product. Some of the features to expect from 2nd Generation rDNA Navi GPUs would be:



      • Optimized 7nm+ process node
      • Enthusiast-grade desktop graphics card options
      • Hardware-Level Ray Tracing Support
      • A mix of GDDR6 and HBM2 graphics cards
      • More power-efficient than First-Gen Navi GPUs
    Nothing else is stated, but from the looks of it, this could be a very powerful graphics card, marking AMD's proper return in the enthusiast high-end desktop GPU space.
    We also know for a fact that AMD is planning to introduce hardware-accelerated ray tracing as a primary featured of their next-generation RDNA powered GPUs.
    With that said, the information is based on a rumor so treat it with a grain of salt, but if it is true, then we might get to hear at least some form of confirmation from AMD at CES 2020 aside from the expected Radeon RX 5600 XT announcement.
     
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    If that's anywhere near true, it'll blow the doors off the 2080 Ti. It'll cost a pretty penny, but hell, it's only money and you can't take it with you. Bring it on AMD.
     
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  7. OnnA

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    Anywhere, but there ;)
    699€ for HBM2 piece IMhO.
    549, 599€ for GDDR6 -> it seems resonable.
     
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    By the time amd brings out a 2080ti competitor nvidia will release 3080ti. Sadly they will never catch up.
     
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    The thing is people were sating that about Intel and CPU’s and now look where we are. I truly believe that in the future they will finally have the resources to compete at the highest level. AMD must be laughing there socks off at how badly Intel have screwed up.
     
  10. OnnA

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    Making $$$ not the tech, o_0 wait :(
    Both gets derailed....

    Note:
    What i liked when Zen2 arrived?
    I pay less for more performance & i was not forced to change Mobo (clap, clap).
    Thanks to this i can save more for Big Navi + SB AE-7.....
    When i look at my Vega, for now it's enough, + i have more FPS thanks to the new drivers :p

    Another word: GJ AMD/ATI
     
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    AMD To Push The High-Performance Computing Envelope Yet Again at CES 2020 - Event To Be Livestreamed on The 6th of January

    AMD had one of the best 2019 in the tech industry, moving its entire portfolio of CPUs and GPUs to the brand new 7nm process technology.
    AMD offered a lot of new products, including the popular 3rd Gen Ryzen & Ryzen Threadripper desktop CPUs, 2nd Generation EPYC Rome server CPUs & the Radeon RX 5000 series mobility and desktop GPUs.
    However, in 2020, AMD is promising to push its envelope even further, offering the next-generation of high-performance products.

    At #CES2020, AMD will push the envelope yet again to make 2020 an incredible year for high-performance computing.

    Join us for our press conference on Monday, January 6th at 2PM PT on YouTube!

    — AMD (@AMD) December 31, 2019

    SANTA CLARA, Calif., Dec. 31, 2019 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- AMD today announced that it will hold a press conference as a part of the official CES 2020 Media Days, and hosted by AMD President and CEO Dr. Lisa Su.
    The event is scheduled for Monday, Jan. 6 at 2:00 p.m. PST at the Mandalay Bay.


    A live stream of the event will be available on the AMD YouTube channel. An archived version of the webcast will be available approximately two hours after the event and can be found on the AMD YouTube channel.

    As for what we can expect to see at AMD's CES 2020 press conference, there are a few products which we know are indeed being announced at CES 2020 but we can also see a host of new CPU and GPU announcements which cover their 2020 and future lineups.
    Following are the products that we expect to see from AMD at CES 2020.

    AMD's High-End Radeon RX Navi GPUs With Ray Tracing Support?


    And lastly, how we can forget the high-end Navi GPUs. We are starting to hear more rumors about the high-end Navi GPUs which are based on the 2nd Generation RDNA architecture now more than ever.
    Dr. Lisa Su might even bring one up at the stage by the end of the keynote and blow us away.

    The next-generation RDNA based high-end GPUs are expected to feature hardware-accelerated ray tracing along with other key features such as more compute, more high bandwidth memory design and the new 7nm+ process node.
    The graphics card is currently expected to hit retail around 2H of 2020 but development or early board or the 'BIG NAVI' chip as I like to refer to it as could be showcased during the event.
     
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    Looking forward to see what CES 2020 will reveal.
     
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    That's Mathematical nonsense. It is double of Navi 10 size but clocked around 33% down (due to 300W limit). Taking into account some small scaling inefficiency and we are at GPU that has only 1.35x performance of Navi 10. Considering 50% more memory chips (Bandwidth), it would be likely 40% faster.

    On other hand Navi 10 is quite power efficient. Bumping its building blocks by 50% only, will fit in 300W too without clock sacrifice. (improved 7nm) And 12GB VRAM would fit too.

    I am sure, AMD would go for ~60CUs instead of 80 in situation like that. So I expect either smaller GPU like that or higher clock on bigger GPU as it would be waste of silicon otherwise.
     
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    ^^ It's hard to tell the source of their Leak.
    Im more into 2x Navi but with lower clocks + HBM2 for better Power envelope.

    Rest is unknown, 250-275tW IMhO (Default) w/70-100% Better performance is possible.
    Im hoping for some news at CES 2020 :p
     

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    Hopefully they will talk about it next week at CES. :nerd:
     
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    99% Big Navi will have HBM2e :) (i hope My Leak is true).
    Also we need to remeber that ATI can (and it will) lauch Biger Navi aka 5800XT
    IMhO there will be Big Navi (Bigest RDNA2 die) w/HBM2
    So we can end up with line like this:
    5400, 5500, 5600, 5700, 5800 & Arcturus.

     
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    AMD Radeon RX 5600M 6 GB Mobility GPU Benchmarked in 3DMark, Almost On Par With The GeForce RTX 2060

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    Need moar mobility powah!! options....
     

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