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New Upcoming ATI/AMD GPU's Thread: Leaks, Hopes & Aftermarket GPU's Part 2

Discussion in 'Videocards - AMD Radeon' started by WhiteLightning, Sep 28, 2018.

  1. OnnA

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    3700X + Radeon RX 5700 + X570 is a pure PCIe gen 4.0 platform. PCIe gen 4.0 makes a difference in 3DMark PCIe b/w feature test.

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    Navi + ZEN2 25 FPS vs Competition at 14FPS !

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    Summary of the keynote
    3800X +1% single core vs 9900k, +2% multi, ~30% less power usage 400$, 3700X -1% single and -7% multi, ~half power usage, 330$
    3900X +13% single and +10% multi vs 9920x, a bit more than half the power, 500$
    Intel is F*CKED

    RX 5000 series +25% core per core and clock per clock, +50% performance per watt.
    5700 series (which one is unknown) +10% vs 2070 in Strange Brigade in 2560x1440 ultra.
    Of course PCIe 4.0 and GDDR6
    More about GPUs at E3, June 10 3PM PT

    EDIT: Didn’t remember that 9920x was HEDT and 165W
     
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    Things are getting very interesting on our way to Cyberpunk release... time to start saving some money for the next big upgrade.
     
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    First Navi by Asrock pictured?

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    Radeon RX 5000 ‘Navi GPU’ First Details Unveiled – Two SKUs With 180W and 150W TDPs

    In addition to the concepts, we managed to grab some more details from our insiders at Computex who told us some info on the upcoming Radeon RX 5000 graphics cards.
    According to our sources, the AMD Radeon RX 5000 series is said to feature two variants, a 180W TDP model with 225W TBP (Total Board Power) and a 150W TDP model with a 180W TBP (Total Board Power).
    AMD showed a demo of their Radeon RX 5700 graphics card against the GeForce RTX 2070 which itself is a 150W? TDP graphics card.

    The AMD Radeon RX 5700 was 10% faster in the demo shown by AMD so for the same amount of TDP, that’s pretty good and means that AMD is taking full advantage of that 7nm process node for enhanced efficiency.
    We also heard from a few manufacturers that Radeon RX 5000 series models are expected to arrive in September.
    They were probably talking about their own custom high end designs but I guess we will know for sure in a few weeks from E3 2019.
     
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    Any news on the rx 5800? Amd will probably say something about it at e3.
     
  7. OnnA

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    We can have: 75tW, 125, 150, 180 & 200tW parts in time.
    Some leaks are true & some not.
    We shall see in time.
     
  8. JonasBeckman

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    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/but81o/amd_radeon_rx_5000_is_hybrid_with_elements_of_gcn/

    https://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/2...med-inslag-av-gcn-renodlad-rdna-forst-ar-2020
    (Swedish)

    We'll see but if so then the "mid" Navi (Navi10?) would be a hybrid chip and "big" Navi (Navi20?) would be the pure RDNA arch? Hmm maybe but only a rumor for now though Sweclockers is a older site but it's still not a confirmation on anything yet. :)
     
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  9. OnnA

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    ^^ We shall see when the reviews hit Us :p
    For Me it's RDNA.

    PS.
    It's from scratch new uArch.
    Im confident that Dr. Su telling us the truth.
     
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    AMD Navi RX 5700 Brings RTX 2070 Performance at Half the Die Size (Yup, uArch advatage)

    It’s been just a few days since AMD’s groundbreaking Computex 2019 keynote where CEO Dr. Lisa Su unveiled the company’s next generation Ryzen 3000 series CPUs and Radeon Navi RX 5700 GPUs.
    Despite the event ending several days ago, we’re still getting a steady trickle of exciting details pertaining to the company’s next generation products.

    Earlier today we’ve managed to confirm that the company’s upcoming Navi GPU, which was unveiled for the first time earlier this week and is set to power the company’s upcoming RX 5700 series graphics cards,
    is in fact only mid-range Navi with a die area of roughly 255mm².

    That is comparable to AMD’s previous mid-range offerings from Polaris 10 (RX 480/580 232 mm²), Pitcairn before it (HD 7870/R9 270X 212mm²) and going back all the way to the extremely popular RV770 (HD 4870 256 mm²).
    In comparison to NVIDIA, the RTX 2070 is powered by the TU-106-400 GPU which is 445mm² large.
    In fact the Navi RX 5700 series GPU is even smaller than the 284mm² TU116, which powers the NVIDIA GTX 1660 series graphics cards.

    This massive disparity in chip size is due to the fact that AMD’s Navi graphics architecture is built on TSMC’s cutting-edge 7nm FinFET process technology,
    nearly a full node ahead of the 12nm technology that NVIDIA’s Turing chips are built on.

    Thanks to this notable process advantage, mid-range Navi RX 5700 series graphics cards are expected to compete with the much larger TU106 powered RTX 2070 and RTX 2060 graphics cards from NVIDIA.

    In fact, AMD demoed an early Navi sample outperforming the RTX 2070 by roughly 10% at its Computex 2019 keynote, although admittedly it was in a title that favors Radeon, Strange Brigade.
    Which means that we’re likely looking at RX 5700 Navi trading blows with the RTX 2070 rather than outright beating it.
     

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    JPR Market Share Report: AMD Discrete GPU Shipments Increased By 21% As PC Market Declined By 10.7% In Q1 2019

    The quarterly market watch report from Jon Peddie Research is out and shows some very interesting numbers.
    The PC GPU market shrunk by 18.6% on a quarterly basis and 10.7% on a year over year basis. Considering the YOY metric accounts for seasonality, it shows a significant shrink in the market. AMD seems to be the winner (by relative terms) as it managed to claw away market share and gain 2.3% while increasing its shipments by 21% in the discrete GPU segment.The PC GPU market suffered losses in Q1 2019 with shipments declining overall.
    This is due to multiple factors, the effects of the lost stream from cryptocurrency mining are starting to be felt strongly.
    Intel’s shipments declined by 22.5%, NVIDIA’s by 12.7% and AMD’s by 4.6%. That said, the DIY PC market (and the one we care about the most ) is still alive and kicking. In fact, the dGPU AIB market increased by 0.34% during the quarter.

    PC GPU market shrinks as AMD gains 2.3%, NVIDIA gains 1.1% and Intel loses 3.4%

    Quick highlights


    • AMD’s overall unit shipments decreased -4.55% quarter-to-quarter, Intel’s total shipments decreased -22.50% from last quarter, and Nvidia’s decreased -12.66%.
    • The attach rate of GPUs (includes integrated and discrete GPUs) to PCs for the quarter was 130% which was down -6.69% from last quarter.
    • Discrete GPUs were in 28.95% of PCs, which is up 1.17% from last quarter.
    • The overall PC market decreased -14.44% quarter-to-quarter and decreased -4.15% year-to-year.
    • Desktop graphics add-in boards (AIBs) that use discrete GPUs increased 0.34% from last quarter.
    • Q1’19 saw a no change in tablet shipments from last quarter.
    The first quarter is typically flat to down.
     
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    AMD Navi rumors: From July with DHE cooler, from August as custom designs and Big Navi

    The Computex is in addition to their new ideas also always good for their rumors.

    This year, among other things, rumors about AMD's GPU generation Navi, which will be revealed in detail in June and published in July.
    That applies only to the reference designs with DHE cooler. Asrock showed what his custom models could look like.

    Custom designs based on Navi are expected from August. The month was promised under the hand of several board partners.
    Asrock is already exhibiting three different concept designs at the Computex, which may or may not be similar in appearance to the Radeon RX 5700.
    At a pre-event, the manufacturer emphasized that the cooling solutions were not yet final .
    At the booth, it was said that a launch in this form is very possible and you should not praise the pre-production graphics cards just because of AMD's restrictions as navi-custom designs.
    All three variants use three axial fans and come in a 2.5-slot design therefore.
    The brand Phantom Gaming is debuting in the form of more expensive and cheaper models, which is reflected among other things in the RGB lighting, which has only one of two concepts.
     
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    I wonder about that "BIG" Navi. Is it big in terms of cooling solution and TDP? Or is it big in terms of not having ~250mm^2, but 350mm^2?
    I was willing to buy ref design on July, but if there is something stronger month later...

    I hope they will show all that's to come this year on E3.
     
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    All the rumors i have read so far point to big Navi being a 2020 release.
     
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    ~250mm2 and Price 299€ ?
    The truth will be revealed: 7.7.2019 (or 10.VI ;))

    Navi left, RyZEN 3000 on the right :p

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    People here shout about power consumption all the time, as if it is the major factor which can make or break a product .
    Well, it can be sometimes tied to cards thermal properties, but other than that in real world doesnot matter much.
    What matters a lot , is this. The die size, atleast to AMD/NVIDIA, from economic point of view . I hope AMD can pull off another HD4870 which just crushed those overpriced gtx260 with a way smaller die area.
     
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    They crushed GTX280 back then :p (I still have one ;))
    But after this i switched to ATI HD5850 or x70 (don't remeber) -> That was a Beast (First DX11 GPU in the World)
    Very good & aggresive pricing BTW (The Deal You can't refuse :cool:)
     
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    AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Series Announced For Apple Mac Pro, Includes 7nm Dual Vega 20 Powered Radeon Pro Vega II Duo
    – Up To 128 GB HBM2 Memory With 1 TB/s Bandwidth & 56.8 TFLOPs Compute Power


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    AMD has just announced their latest AMD Radeon Pro Vega II and AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo graphics for Apple’s latest Mac Pro.
    The latest graphics cards from AMD will be based on the new 7nm process node, offering higher performance with much better efficiency than the currently available 14nm based Radeon Pro Vega graphics.AMD has introduced two graphics cards for the Apple Mac Pro lineup.

    Both are using their latest Vega 20 GPU which was currently available on the Radeon VII graphics cards and now aiming the Radeon Pro market. It utilizes the Vega 20 GPU architecture which is a refinement of Vega itself on a 7nm process node.
    The two products in the 7nm Radeon Pro lineup for Mac Pro include the dual chip powered Radeon Pro Vega II Duo and the single chip powered Radeon Pro Vega II.

    Some key capabilities and features of AMD Radeon Pro Vega II GPUs include:

    • Leading-edge compute performance – The AMD Radeon Pro Vega II GPU delivers up to 14 TFLOPS of single-precision FP32 performance and up to 28 TFLOPS of half-precision FP16 performance.
    • Support for Infinity Fabric Link GPU interconnect technology – With up to 84GB/s per direction low-latency peer-to-peer memory access, the scalable GPU interconnect technology enables GPU-to-GPU communications up to 5X faster than PCIe Gen 3 interconnect speeds.
    • Ultra-fast HBM2 memory – 32GB of high-speed HBM2 memory delivers 1TB/s memory bandwidth, providing the memory capacity and data transfer speeds required by today’s high-resolution, multi-display setups, 8K video, and other demanding content creation workloads.
    When it comes to specifications, we will start with the single chip variant which is based on the full 64 CU enabled Vega 20 GPU and houses 4096 stream processors.
    The chip has a max rated clock of 1.7 GHz and can deliver a peak throughput of 14.2 TFLOPs (FP32). The chip makes use of an infinity fabric with transfer speeds of 84 GB/s.
    The chip also comes with HBM2 stacked DRAM with up to 32 GB in capacity, operating at 1 TB/s alongside a 4096-bit wide bus interface.

    The dual-chip variant has twice of everything of the single-chip variant. AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo is the first dual-chip Radeon offering on the high-end platform but aimed at the Pro market. The graphics card has 128 CUs (64 Per GPU) which make up 8192 stream processors.
    The card will carry 64 GB of HBM2 VRAM and can deliver up to 28.3 TFLOPs of Compute performance in single precision workloads.Apple and AMD have also developed a new type of connector module for the latest Mac Pro series.

    Known as the MPX Module, the platform starts with an industry-standard PCI Express connector. Then, for the first time in a GPU, additional PCIe lanes were created to integrate Thunderbolt and provide the increased capability.
    With up to 500 watts, the MPX Module has power capacity equivalent to that of the entire previous-generation Mac Pro.

    So you can essentially have a Radeon Pro II Vega Duo with two single-chip based cards or if you’re looking for even higher performance,
    you could just plug in two Radeon Pro Vega II Duo graphics card and get 128GB of HBM2 VRAM, 56.8 TFLOPs of FP32 Compute and 112.8 TFLOPs of half-precision Compute performance which is just insane.

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    Pro Vega II Duo!!! The world’s most powerful graphics card !

    -> https://www.amd.com/en/graphics/wor...=provegaii&utm_medium=redirect&utm_source=301
     
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    For the 128g its 4096-bit x4. I just hope it comes out to normail pc boards with 8 pin connectors. Someone needs to test this in games :)
     
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    ^^ Nahh it's for Pro segment...
    Maby (some rumors here & there) we will have Vega 2 Pro Duo 32GB HBM2 for PC
    Similar to Fury Pro-Duo, but i don't believe it TBF....
     

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