New Upcoming ATI/AMD GPU's Thread: Leaks, Hopes & Aftermarket GPU's Part 2

Discussion in 'Videocards - AMD Radeon' started by WhiteLightning, Sep 28, 2018.

  1. Eastcoasthandle

    Eastcoasthandle Ancient Guru

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    Yeah, I can relate to that. I hope AMD does refresh the line up until they are ready with Navi. Which I don't expect Navi to show it's face until Q4 2019 at the earliest.
     
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    After seeing that video, I would be curious if someone did at least some initial testing with some of the 7nm Vega workstation cards. If they do have double the memory bandwidth and a few of the Vega features actually working this time, they could easily get to 1080Ti/RTX 2080 levels.

    The RTX 2080 Ti I do not even mention, as it is a ridiculous proposition in all aspects.
     
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  3. OnnA

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    Radeon is very competitive IMO in price range 199-499€ (w/FreeSync of course)
    ATI can't (right now) compete with nv 500mm2 & 750mm2 chips (this can be done but with Vega x2 CF | 27k x2 in 3Dmark is ~54k)
    Im skiping Navi for sure, first HDR 1000 Monitor OLED or MicroLed then next-Gen GPU.

    :p;)
     
  4. Fox2232

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    Polaris is severely bandwidth limited. Therefore GDDR5 is not enough. Well clocked GDDR5X could boost performance of Polaris by 15% without touching clock.
    Polaris on 14nm can clock to 1500MHz at decent voltage, but no memory bandwidth = poor gains.
    On "12nm" it can possibly clock 1550MHz+. With GDDR5X one can expect ~35% higher performance than Polaris 20. But without that memory bandwidth even 1600MHz would mean sub 10% benefit.
     
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  5. OnnA

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    IMO it will be first 7nm Polaris like chip with GDDR6 (i bet on this instead of GDDR5x)
    We will have:
    Vega XTX,
    64 then
    56
    and this new Chip RX680
     
  6. Maddness

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    That would actually be interesting if they could do that. I guess we will have to wait and see. Although pricing at 7nm might be fairly high to start with. But if they did, i'd swap out my RX480 for a 7nm Polaris with DDR6.
     
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  7. -Tj-

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    I would still rather see a 7nm Vega96, If HBM2 is limiting it then they can always add bigger bit bus, e.g. 2048 instead of 1024..

    Vega64: 4096:256:64

    "Vega96": 6144:384:96

    This would wipe with Turing 2080Ti np.
     
  8. Maddness

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    That would be pretty beastly, but seeing the cost of Vega 64 now, it would also be pretty expensive. In my country Vega 64 is as expensive as 1080Ti.
     
  9. OnnA

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    They supposedly overcome the 64 CU limitation in Vega 2 ;)
    So it is possible...
     
  10. OnnA

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    AMD promises to ‘paint a picture of next-generation computing’

    The keynote will explore 7nm architecture in high-performance computing that will ‘help redefine the future of gaming and virtual entertainment’.
    AMD CEO is likely to talk about the future of Ryzen and Radeon 7nm products.

    The company has already mentioned that Radeon Vega Instinct should launch at the end of this year. It is likely that the keynote will cover more 7nm products designed for graphics, such as Radeon RX and Navi architecture.

    Dr. Lisa Su might also give an update on the latest product roadmap for Ryzen 3000 series (Zen 2 architecture).

    The keynote will be delivered in Las Vegas on January 9th.

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    Dr. Su to explore the accelerating adoption of high-performance computing and visualization technologies to redefine life

    Arlington, VA – 10/03/2018 – The Consumer Technology Association (CTA)TM today announced that AMD (NASDAQ: AMD)
    President and CEO Dr. Lisa Su will deliver a keynote address at the upcoming CES® 2019. Dr. Su’s address is scheduled for Wednesday, January 9 at 9:00 AM in the Venetian Palazzo Ballroom.
    Owned and produced by CTA, CES 2019, the world’s largest innovation event, will run January 8-11, 2019 in Las Vegas.

    1. In 2019, AMD will catapult computing, gaming, and visualization technologies forward with the world’s first 7nm high-performance CPUs and GPUs, providing the power required to reach technology’s next horizon.
    During her CES keynote, Dr. Su and guests will provide a view into the diverse applications for new computing technologies ranging from solving some of the world’s toughest challenges to the future of gaming, entertainment and virtual reality with the potential to redefine modern life.

    2. “AMD is transforming the future of computing in our ever-expanding digital world and revolutionizing the $35 billion gaming industry,” said Gary Shapiro, president and CEO, CTA. “We look forward to Dr. Su’s keynote as she paints a picture of the next-generation of computing that will help redefine the future of gaming and virtual entertainment.”

    3. Dr. Su is AMD president and chief executive officer and serves on the company’s board of directors. Previously, Dr. Su held executive leadership and engineering positions with AMD, Freescale Semiconductor, Inc. and IBM after receiving her bachelor’s, master’s and doctorate degrees in electrical engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). In 2017, she was named one of the “World’s 50 Greatest Leaders” by Fortune Magazine and the “Top Ranked Semiconductor CEO” by Institutional Investor Magazine. Under Dr. Su’s leadership, AMD has introduced two completely new chip architectures and more than ten different product families, resulting in double-digit annual revenue growth in 2017.

    4. Dr. Su’s address marks the first CES keynote from AMD in show history. She joins IBM chairman, president and CEO Ginni Rometty as confirmed CES 2019 keynote speakers. Additional CES keynotes will be announced in the coming weeks. Visit the CES Keynote page for the latest updates.

    5. CES is the largest and most influential technology event on the planet, featuring 4,500 exhibitors across 2.75 million net square feet of exhibit space. The 2018 event attracted 182,198 attendees, including a record 63,784 international attendees, according to the official show audit. The show provides access to the very latest transformative tech such as 5G connectivity, artificial intelligence, augmented and virtual reality, smart home, smart cities, sports and machine intelligence, as well as new areas for 2019 including tourism and resilience.
     
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    Instead of always complaining, I thought that I might share an interesting AMD video for once.

    It may not be completely in line with the topic, but they do talk about the future and open standards.
     
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  12. Maddness

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    Totally Annihilation OMG. I hated that game. Played it at a couple of Lans.
     
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    Name's Total Annihilation. And engine capabilities are above what most strategy games today can do.
    That includes possibility to create new custom units, balancing, ...
    Engine could get any resolution back then which was something very few games could do.
    Several game modes. Large scale weaponry like static big ass cannons shooting over 1/4 of map.
     
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    So much time in between... You know, they are building inventory... nobody can't say it is paper launch.

    But in that case it would be in contradiction to "470"/"480" statement as that can be renamed at moment notice.
     

  16. Maddness

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    I was kind of hoping for a bit more, so i could have a nice upgrade for my 480. Still it's good for those who haven't updated to Polaris in the past.
     
  17. OnnA

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    Related because of Vega & ZEN uArch :D (HBM2 or GDDR6?)

    Sony PlayStation 5 Confirmed: "It's Necessary To Have A Next-Generation Hardware"

    Some experts say that the console and PC will be irrelevant very soon: cloud gaming services will make dedicated and powerful hardware unnecessary, but Sony doesn't seem to agree. Kenichiro Yoshida, CEO of Sony, doesn't,
    and in an interview with the Financial Times he has made it clear that there will be a new PlayStation, although he has not confirmed whether the name of that console will be PlayStation 5.

    John Kodera, president of Sony Interactive Entertainment, mentioned months ago in The Wall Street Journal how the company was working on new developments in this area. In fact he mentioned to analysts and investors that in March 2021 PlayStation would "crouch down once" to grow further in the future.Those statements now join those of Yoshida, who stressed that hardware is still important. In fact he stated that "At this point, what I can say is it's necessary to have a next-generation hardware".
    Sony may be somewhat conditioned since Microsoft already confirmed that they were working on new generations of their Xbox One console, but that confirmation is in any case important.

    Some may doubt the future of a hypothetical PlayStation 5 that will compete with both mobile phones and cloud gaming, but in the past we saw how the launch of the PS4 also faced similar reflections and the console has ended up being an overwhelming success.
    The same could be said of the Nintendo Switch, although both the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X do not seem to have generated the interest that their creators probably expected. And yet, the hardware still matters, and Sony seems to have that very clear.
     
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    Microsoft's xCloud is a Push Towards Game Streaming Future, Powered by AMD

    Microsoft has announced their xCloud initiative, a game streaming effort that looks to bridge the gap between local and stream-based gaming.
    xCloud is looking to bring true, platform-agnostic gaming with much lower bandwidth requirements due to a number of technologies being researched and worked on by Microsoft. Chief among these are low-latency networking, encoding, and decoding advances - all crucial parts of the puzzle for solving latency and poor image quality issues.
    xCloud aims to allow for "high-quality experiences at the lowest possible bitrates that work across the widest possible networks" - with 4G and 5G support. For now, the test version of xCloud only requires a minimum 10 Mbps connection, which is already very impressive in abstract - though of course it would require more info on the rendering specs being delivered to the recipient's system for deeper analysis.

    One big takeaway here is that this xCloud initiative is fully powered by AMD's own hardware - as it should be. Using AMD custom hardware such as that found within Microsoft's Xbox consoles takes away the work and investment in building even more emulation capabilities on a server level, which would only add additional overhead to the streaming service.
    By using AMD's own custom hardware, Microsoft circumvents this issue - but entrenches itself even more on AMD's own product portfolio, both now and in the foreseeable future.
    For AMD, this is amazing news - more volume of parts being shipped rather than just for the console market means increased revenues, but more importantly, this is a big win in the server space for the company.
    AMD's custom silicon strategy started with a market penetration outlook of offering the cheapest custom x86 and graphics IP technologies, but now?
    AMD has made itself the only player in this game, and everybody knows the first step to remain relevant is to make one virtually irreplaceable. I can't really overstate how important this could be for AMD's long-term future - they're crossing the bridge between offering localized hardware solutions (game consoles) through to the (for some) unavoidable future of game streaming.
    Microsoft will be rolling out xCloud in steps over its Azure data centers worldwide, throughout 54 'regions' and 140 countries.
    Microsoft has already rolled out its custom server racks into one of its data centers in the US, and public trials for the game streaming service are scheduled to begin in 2019.

     
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    AOC Announces New Curved AGON HDR Gaming Monitor with AMD FreeSync2

    AOC, a worldwide leader in monitor display technology, today announces the first member of the premium AGON monitor line with HDR support, the AG322QC4 gaming monitor.
    The AG322QC4 is a curved 32-inch, QHD HDR gaming monitor with a refresh rate of 144Hz, 4ms response time and AMD's FreeSync2 technology. FreeSync2 is AMD's HDR-compatible technology.
    This monitor is made for enthusiast gamers, who want both high-performance visuals without stutter, screen tearing or motion blur, and a gorgeous visual experience with HDR.
    This is AOC's first monitor with Display HDR400 certification.


    The 32-inch monitor features a 2560 x 1440 QHD screen with a 1800R curve. The curved VA panel offers vibrant colors with high dynamic range for a more exciting and immersive visual experience to be enjoyed while gaming.
    The display also covers 85 percent of the NTSC. The AG322QC4's curve conforms to the way the eye sees and helps reduce eye fatigue
    The display features AMD FreeSync2 technology to provide a smooth, fast and visually stunning gaming experience, with support for HDR visuals. FreeSync2 synchronizes the display's refresh rates to the GPU in gamers' AMD-powered PCs to eliminate screen-tearing and minimize display stutter and input lag. This results in fluid and responsive gameplay, with objects appearing sharper, scenes appearing instantly and more vibrant in visual quality than on other monitors.
    AMD FreeSync2 delivers a smooth and fast gaming experience with a serious competitive edge.

    The new AGON monitor also packs in additional AOC monitor technologies such as Shadow Control, AOC's FlickerFree technology and LowBlue Mode.
    With AOC's Shadow Control, gamers can adjust shadow levels in the on-screen display menu to increase contrast for better dark areas without affecting the rest of the screen. Eye comfort is one of the most important considerations for outlasting the competition, and since the AGON displays are designed specifically for the competitive gamer, they feature eye-protecting AOC Flicker-Free Technology to reduce eye strain, discomfort, and fatigue during long gaming sessions.
    The AG322QC4 goes even further with its Low Blue Light mode, reducing adverse short wavelength blue light without sacrificing color quality.

    The AG322QC4 is now available at Amazon and Newegg for $549.99

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    interesting...
    everything is there for a decent mid-range...
    32'' is a must. same for 144Hz, especially with freesync/2. 25x16 is perfect, 4k would be acceptable as well, VA I like, TV speakers for listening to TV news in the background

    all that is missing is: true 10-bit, and PiP (picture in picture), or independent input display
     

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