New Intel EULA License prohibits benchmarks on new Linux microcode Patches

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  1. Kaarme

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    Let's hope so. AMD needs the money to make competitive GPUs as well. Nvidia could raise the RTX prices so easily because AMD has nothing new to offer.
     
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    Most likely if amd manage a come back to the very high end people will be happy and praise amd for the achievement because now they can buy nvidia cards on normal prices :( personally i always go for price perfomance ...i was eyeing a 580 really but literally was 100 euros more expensive than the 1060 6gb i got at the time .so it was a no brainer
     
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    Yeah I think they are violating the fair use doctrine by doing this because in my mind benchmarks and benchmarking falls under fair use.
     
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    You are right. I was referring to cause and effect of karma. Intel intentions and deeds in this case led to a very immediate effect. Therefore in a poorly attempt of humor I thought the semi popular expression, "Karma is a bitch" was fitting.

    However if multi billion companies considered their effects of their actions from a broader viewpoint than their own interests. Mistakes like this would be easy to avoid.

    Good ethics ground rules would help. I am now not thinking of platitudes like Google's "Do no evil".

    Thanks for the correction. Got me to ponder about my own way expressing myself.
     
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    Jajaja this is good stuff
     
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    Fair use is about using copyrighted work that you do not own in your own work. Benchmark results are not copyrighted work.

    So it's not even about fair use. It's just BS some companies put in their EULAs. VMware is doing the same. If you use a VMware product, you are not allowed to run benchmarks and publish the results. In other words, the EULA prohibits reviews of the product.

    Imagine if this was actually enforceable. Like NVidia or AMD putting such a clause in their EULA. You are not allowed to review/bench their GPUs. Unfortunately, the legal teams of companies who do put this kind of BS in their EULA are in a position to push the "little guy" (small sites) around with legal threats. Even if you are 101% in the right, you can't afford to go against them and need to comply because they have infinite money compared to you.
     
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    Patent trolling could be in same time legit..
    Whole these patents for instruction sets are abomination, if there is nothing like possibility for license it for everyone with some reasonable fee like max. 30% of selling price. I think that Nvidia and others would pay lots of money for x86 license but Intel simply refusing to sell it to them, because they are affair of real competition and we x86 users are total hostages of WinIntel.. If Windows would be running fine on ARM, or other archictures we wouldn't have to care too much about x86 and Intel, AMD etc..

    Even that new Intels license was completely legit, in laws eyes.. but "only" was amoral like that x86 licencing practices..
     
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    Patent trolling refers to random companies, owned by random nobodies, that never invented anything, going out and buying patents so that they can then extort money out of others. Many of these patents don't even hold up if they went to court (most fall under prior art.) But in some cases, the targets just want to avoid lawsuits, so they pay up.

    This is not the case with Intel. They did invent the x86 architecture. It's not a BS patent that wouldn't hold up. It's legit. If you want to compete with Intel, invent your own instruction sets. Like AMD, ARM, IBM, and others do.
     
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    Hay guise I have a new EULA which states you must all send me 102% of your income as offerings every month.
     

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    And i don't accept yours. lol.
     
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    Just like Warranty voided if removed BS that turned out to be illegal. Never new about VMware doing that kind of thing. Yeah a sad but true statement that the little guy cannot challenge the big guy because of $$$.
     
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    I now this definition, but they are just doing other sort of patent exploitation what is sort of trolling too in my book. They can sell something and still control resales of already sold property its against open market, which is making capitalism working.
     
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