New i5-13600 PC from PC Specialist - Good or not?

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  1. Darren Hodgson

    Darren Hodgson Ancient Guru

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    Is this a good build or not for a PC to replace my almost 10 year-old i7-4770K:

    Link to image: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkB72IUjh5uPnoxbgLf63STVTV_1og?e=MHvaZ4

    Case
    COOLERMASTER MASTERBOX TD500 MESH ARGB GAMING CASE

    Processor (CPU)
    Intel® Core™ i5 14-Core Processor i5-13600KF (3.5GHz) 24MB Cache

    Motherboard
    ASUS® ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI D4 (LGA1700, USB 3.2, PCIe 5.0) - ARGB Ready

    Memory (RAM)
    32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (2 x 16GB)

    Graphics Card
    NONE, I ALREADY HAVE A GRAPHICS CARD

    1st M.2 SSD Drive
    2TB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3300MB/W)

    1st M.2 SSD Drive
    2TB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 7000MB/R, 5000MB/W)

    1st Storage Drive
    2TB PCS 2.5" SSD, SATA 6 Gb (520MB/R, 470MB/W)

    External DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
    8x Slim USB 2.0 External DVD-RW

    Power Supply
    CORSAIR 850W RMe SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET

    Power Cable
    1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)

    Processor Cooling
    Corsair iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX RGB Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler

    Thermal Paste
    ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND

    Extra Case Fans
    1x 120mm Thermaltake TOUGHFAN 12 Case Fan

    Sound Card
    ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)

    Network Card
    10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT

    USB/Thunderbolt Options
    MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS

    Operating System
    Windows 11 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence

    Operating System Language
    United Kingdom - English Language

    Windows Recovery Media
    Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online

    Account
    Office Software
    FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)

    Anti-Virus
    NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE

    Browser
    Microsoft® Edge

    Warranty
    3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)

    Delivery
    STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)

    Build Time
    Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 9 working days

    I will be using my RTX 3080 with this PC (currently somewhat held back by my current CPU) and salvaging a couple of the hard drives from my existing system.

    I play games at 1440p on a G-SYNC display at max. settings with RT, available. Not too bothered about high refresh rates, just a smooth framerate of 60 or 120 fps depending on the game.

    I was going to use an air cooler as I wasn't comfortable with using a liquid cooler but PC Specialist recommended the Corsair cooler instead as the CPU apparently runs hot.

    Any thoughts/suggestions before I order would be really appreciated. Thanks.
     
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  2. Undying

    Undying Ancient Guru

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    Ddr4? If your building a new pc get a ddr5 capable motherboard.

    Seeing how you dont upgrade so often it will be smart thing to do.
     
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  3. Darren Hodgson

    Darren Hodgson Ancient Guru

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    Oh I absolutely agree that would have been better future-proofing.

    However, my budget for this PC was £2,000 minus the GPU (RTX 3080) which I already had. From the YouTube videos and reviews I've read, it seems there isn't much difference in performance between DDR4 and DDR5 so I opted for the former and went for 32 GB. DDR5 memory is very expensive and had I gone for that then not only would I have been limited to 16 GB but the cost of the Z790 motherboard would have been higher too and would likely have took me over budget, perhaps requiring me to drop additional SSD storage. It seems using DDR4 can result it a loss of up to 6% performance but those reviews were showing games in excess of 200 FPS so the difference is not a concern for me as I only have a 165 Hz display and am happy to play games at 60-120 fps. I cannot see or feel the difference above 90 fps anyway.

    Maybe I will regret not going DDR5 when DirectStorage becomes a major thing for PC gaming. Not sure if memory speeds will affect that or if it's just an SSD thing?

    I have gone for all SSD storage with this build but will use my 6 TB hard drive from my existing build for music, photos and other data storage and possibly add the 4 TB hard drive too. The motherboard supports 6x SATA drives and has support for 4x NVMe drives too so there is room for me to add two additional SATA3 and NVMe SSDs as required. I currently have a 1 TB SSD in my existing PC for Windows and 3x external SSDs (one in a caddy) so I will salvage those for the new PC too so that I can keep all my games going forward on SSD. I may install older games that do not benefit from being on SSDs on the hard drives as well and just use the SSDs for games that benefit the most from them (open world games etc).
     
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  4. Hulk12

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    Ok. But if you want to play RPCS3 (PS3) emulator, you change CPU upgrade from i5-13600KF to i9-12900KF or i7-12700KF because Intel 13th hasn't AVX-512 support but yes 12th has AVX-512. :)
     

  5. fredgml7

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    It's a great selection of parts, but I would go for DDR5 just like Undying said, software(games) in the future may start to take advantage of the bigger DDR5 bandwidth.
     
  6. Darren Hodgson

    Darren Hodgson Ancient Guru

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    I rarely play emulated games on my PC outside a few Wii U (Cemu), Commodore 64 and Amiga games (WinUAE) so this is not an issue for me.

    Apparently Intel dropped AVX-512 support due to it increasing the power requirements of the CPU and creating more heat so I don't think I will miss that. The new Intel CPUs are already power-hungry enough and require better-than-air cooling.
     
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  7. Darren Hodgson

    Darren Hodgson Ancient Guru

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    I have already placed the order after watching and reading numerous reviews that pointed out there wasn't much difference between DDR4 and DDR5 memory. One review stated that they were yet to be convinced that DD5 is necessary.

    I wanted to go for a system with 32 GB of memory (my criteria for PC upgrades is to always have more memory and storage) which was why I opted for the cheaper DDR4 and Z690 motherboard. Had I gone for DDR5 then I would have had to go for 16 GB and a more expensive Z790 motherboard and I just didn't want to sacrifice the storage or memory. Appreciate the advice but I was happy with my i7-4770K for over 9 years so I don't think I will regret this decision. PC technology improves all the time anyway so whatever you buy it will be replaced by newer and better parts within the next 12-18 months (DDR6 memory anyone?).
     
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  8. H83

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    I have to agree with others regarding the DDR5vs DDR4.

    Otherwise, it seems to be a great system.
     
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  9. Darren Hodgson

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    DDR4 vs DDR5 - i5 13600k vs i9 13900K - YouTube

    No real difference for games or productivity between DDR4 and DDR5. DDR4 has lower latency, wins by a small margin in some tests but other DDR5 is more future-proof but DDR4 is recommended if you want to save some money. The latter is me.
     
  10. Why_Me

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    It all works although you could get by with a less expensive motherboard and a dual tower w/dual 120mm fans such as the DeepCool AK620 will work fine with that cpu.
     
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  11. Darren Hodgson

    Darren Hodgson Ancient Guru

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    The motherboard choice was based on having 6x SATA and 4x PCIe NVMe slots as I like to keep a large games library so I can dip in and out of different games which I will play over a number of years. I currently have games installed across 8 drives (4 SSDs, 4 HDDs) totalling 25 TB on my current system. 3 of the SSDs are external USB3 though but one, the Samsung QVO 870, is in a caddy.

    Ultimately, I want to switch to SSDs for all games and use HDDs just for backups. I've just picked up another 2 TB Crucial MX500 SSD in the Amazon Black Friday sale so that will be used for games on the new system and the CoolMaster case supports 4x internal SATA3 SSDs and 2x HDDs (I will salvage the 4TB and 6 TB HDDs from my current system as these are the newest drives) as well as 4x NVMe SSDs (I ordered two with this system and will add others as prices drop and DirectStorage starts to become a thing on PC).
     
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  13. Darren Hodgson

    Darren Hodgson Ancient Guru

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    The PC has already been ordered and is in pre-production. The memory choices were fairly limited too, only offering DDR4 and upto 3600 MHz Corsair Vengenance with or without RGB (oddly the RGB variant is cheaper!).
     

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