New amd RyZen Stock RGB cpu coolers

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  1. zer0_c0ol

    zer0_c0ol Ancient Guru

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  2. Neo Cyrus

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    I don't know why they insist on doing this. Don't include a cooler and charge $10 less. No one wants some junk cooler on a CPU meant for demanding tasks. Even these improved coolers look like bottom-tier junk.
     
  3. CalculuS

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    I don't think I have to tell you how stupid it is to suddenly ditch the stock cooler concept.
     
  4. HeavyHemi

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    Doesn't AMD also sell processors without the cooler?

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    Except as an option...:)

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  5. Neo Cyrus

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    Almost nobody buys a high-end unlocked processor for gaming, encoding, etc, then leaves the pitiful stock cooler on it. AMD understood this and that's why in the past they opted to exclude a stock HSF.

    Who here has ever ONCE bought a high end chip then used the stock cooler on it permanently? Anyone?
     
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    Oh dear, what a gimmick. A good product doesn't need flashy bs, please.
     
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    The Wraith is as good as a 212, and there are a LOT of professionals who would love to have proper stock cooling for their never-overclocked high end CPU.
     
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    Yes...we should just replace the numerals 2017 with RGB. It's getting ridiculous.
     
  9. Neo Cyrus

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    All that picture says is "like a Wraith", who knows how it'll actually perform. And I think the Wraith and the 212 both suck and are incredibly overrated, especially for older CPUs which were more difficult to keep cool while idle. The 212 was fine when it was literally $20, but last I checked it's over double that price now and just keeps selling based on past fame. People don't realize it's not good for the price anymore.

    Those professionals who keep stock cooling on high end machines aren't building custom machines and are completely ignorant about PC specifics. They're artists, designers, the sort that buy a machine pre-built and have no clue about specifics beyond what kind of performance or type of machine they need.
     
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    When you buy these from the shop, you are buying a retail kit, not just the CPU. If they sold the CPU just by itself without any frills etc, there may be people 'stupid' enough to install it without a cooler. They'd use the argument 'if it is meant to have a cooler, why wasn't one included?'.

    Realistically, for stock clocks the stock cooler is 'fine' (not saying they are good and keep it icy cold, just that it suffices for standard use). For the lower end CPU's it probably makes sense to include the cooler for this very reason, but for the more upper end CPU's, particularly those targetting enthusiasts like the 1700x and 1800x (the 95 W parts), it would make sense that these don't come with the cooler that probably is really only suffiient for the 65 W variants without an overclock.

    The real issue is the availability of AM4 compatible coolers. I realise it comes pretty much down to the brackets, but without the right bracket the CPU cooler is not AM4 compatible :). Some brands have already said you can get a bracket directly from them, but the process involved is a bit lengthy and regardless of whether it takes 1 week or 3, if you've got the excitement of building a brand new system you don't want to wait even a couple of days just to get a 'lousy' bracket :). So, let's just hope the retail versions of those mounting kits for the coolers from BeQuiet, Noctua etc, will be available from day one.
     
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    Exactly, stock coolers are fine for 90% of the population.
    Forcing enthusiast stuff on those who don't want or need it just looks like a scam.

    Saying that, CPU cooling has never been something i have spent money on, as the most i have ever spent has been £15.

    I like this, and imo the only people who should be threatened by a good stock cooler are those who profit from convincing the masses things will go tits up if they don't buy something else.
     
  12. zer0_c0ol

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    Because these are the best stock coolers around.. comparable to evo 212
     
  13. zer0_c0ol

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    Just a phrase , these coolers are from the wraith series
     
  14. Ryu5uzaku

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    These coolers at least look like they can work on a system. Compared to the old things and intel coolers. And well some people like flashy lights.
     
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    It's the other way around. A 5% of people who try to score the highest overclock using air or water coolers, will probably like that $10 discount. The other 95% who are happy leaving their system stock, because they even don't know what overclocking is, would need that cooler. And believe me there are plenty out there with unlocked processors that don't know what overclocking is. Now the Wrath is a pretty nice option even for moderate overclocking, if I remember correctly, and that lower TDP limit makes it even a better cooler for that.
    One more thing. That extra $10 you pay for the cooler? You'll get them back when selling the processor in the second hand market.
     

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    Simply for ****s and giggles. Xeon X3230 (socket 775, don't laugh, this thing is actually beastly FOR what it is and I still play latest games more than satisfactory) @ 2700 MHz which is the fastest my board can let it go without crashing.

    Stock cooling of a medium sized Gateway box (E-4610D) with 5 HDD crammed in it too, one hovering above the video card simply by the cables themselves lol.

    Would be 40-42 but raised a dot when I went to make screenshot.

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    I could see people getting mad about trying to install an NH-D14/15 or one of the bigger coolers from Cryorig. Not to mention the significant cost tacked on for a cooler like that.

    The average buyer definitely wants nothing to do with something harder to install or more expensive than stock cooling.

    For example, a friend of mine obsesses about their GPU temps (they think it's going to melt if it runs at 60 - 70C :3eyes:). This same friend balks at the price of higher end CPU cooling.
     
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    I think it is ok to include one, I for one would like to have one with each cpu I buy, even and exactly because I run a custom loop wc.

    Sometimes when you troubleshoot and change boards etc. it is easier to have a simple, included, matching cooler always at hand and dont have to mount the whole wc system to boot.
     
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    Huh? Come again? You can't be serious.

    The only people who buy high end CPUs, and GPUs for that matter, are enthusiasts and serious gamers. The same people who buy neon colored water cooler tubing and florescent cooling fluid, and external reservoir tanks. RGB colored RAM which you can only see with an acrylic case cover.

    The pimped out PC is an industry of it's own.
     
  20. RaveFusion

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    Sigh... are you a "professional" , does ticking BIOS values make you a "pro" user? smh...

    Stock coolers are fine if you are not overclocking your system (which in many cases is not necessary at all). The only reason i would upgrade the cooling solution would be based on noise levels.

    Just because you feel the urge to spend 150$ on a closed loop to get 5 to 10c less doesn't mean that a proper stock cooling won't suffice.

    I hope these new coolers keep the DB ratings low enough so i don't need to purchase a noctua one.
     

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