Need help building a pc please

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by dstr, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. Icanium

    Icanium Ancient Guru

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    Just do not want to see dstr buy into a budget system to end up regretting it.
     
  2. dstr

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    I'm 55 yrs old now and wouldn't be looking to upgrade every time new hardware comes out so to speak.


    Yep. I'm also disabled and my wife just recently retired so we're both at home. We want to have a system that will do pretty much anything we want and it will most likely be the last system we invest in barring any hardware failure and hopefully that won't happen.

    @lehtv...I appreciate all the points and concerns you have made and the time you've given me but I'm gonna go with an i5 3570k rig.

    I'm attempting to put together a list of the parts discussed but I can't read the image list that StewieTech posted and with the discussions on some of those parts with thatguy91 and StewieTech , I'm kinda confused as to what to put together exactly but I'll post back a list and go from there. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    @Icanium...nope, I'm not near any microcenter locations but thanks for the suggestion.
     
  3. lehtv

    lehtv Ancient Guru

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    Please at least reconsider the unlocked CPU. You said you're not overclocking so for your uses, an i5-3570K is just a waste of cash over locked i5's. The K means the base multiplier is unlocKed i.e. can be overclocked, and you have no use for this feature. The current best deal on an i5 is this: i5-3470 $191 @ ncix.

    I still think an i3 rig would do everything you want. Most people here are enthusiasts and hardcore gamers who recommend enthusiast grade hardware. Most people also place a lot of weight on stated budget and less on the user's needs, I think this is why others are not agreeing with me on the i3. However, they argue the i5 is more future proof. The relevance of the future proof argument I've already dismantled: it is only future proof for hardcore gamers.

    I'll concede though that i3 vs i5 is a minor issue; the difference between them is only around $70, while the difference between my rig recommendation and your budget is several hundred dollars. The more important thing is that you don't spend needless amounts of cash on things that don't actually translate into better performance or usability - don't buy a super expensive case, don't buy 16GB RAM, an overkill power supply and so on. That's the bottom line and that's where my rig recommendation stems from.
     
  4. StewieTech

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    Sir, op has chosen, move along.
     

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    Yeah, I posted which i5 he should buy and that i3 vs i5 is a minor issue. What's the problem? :3eyes:
     
  6. StewieTech

    StewieTech Chuck Norris

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    I´m sorry, i kind of overlook your post. The problem is i need a hug and a pepperoni pizza.:infinity:
     
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    lehtv Ancient Guru

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    We all do... :>
     
  8. Icanium

    Icanium Ancient Guru

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    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 extreme 3
    IMO, if you are buying an unlocked processor you should get a Z77 motherboard.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157330
    PSU: Corsair CX500 V2 500W ($40.00, after $10 off w/promo code EMCNAHE59, ends 10/1 and $ 20.00 rebate)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027

    As recommended by Stewietech>> .
    COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099
    Fractal Design Arc Midi Black High Performance PC Computer Case w/ USB 3.0.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352007
    I prefer a case with a cutout so you can work on your cpu cooling solution without having to remove your motherboard from the case.
     
  9. dstr

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    Okay...I 'think' I have a parts list put together now. Please take a look at it and any advice would be greatly appreciated. Prices listed are before any rebates or promotional discounts.

    Let me also say thanks to everyone for helping me out. I wouldn't have been able to do this on my own.



    - Intel Core i5-3470 Ivy Bridge 3.2GHz (3.6GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2500 BX80637i53470 - $199.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

    - ASRock Z77 Performance LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $119.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157298

    - Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - $109.99

    - Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - $89.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840

    - EVGA 01G-P3-1556-KR GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Fermi) FPB 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - $114.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130625

    - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B - $44.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145345

    - CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - $59.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341050

    - ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM - $19.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

    - Fractal Design Arc Midi Black High Performance PC Computer Case w/ USB 3.0 and 3 x Fractal High Performance 140mm fans - $89.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352007

    - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM - $99.99
     
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  10. lehtv

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    CPU Good
    Mobo Z77 not needed since you're not OC'ing. Take a look at Asrock H77 Pro4/MVP $80 (used to cost $90)
    SSD Samsung 830 is better and less expensive @ ncix
    HDD Good, but $18 cheaper @ ncix
    GPU Definitely not a fast card and also not good for the price. There's an EVGA GTX 560 for $130 AR, it's 30% more expensive but 50% faster
    RAM Samsung's low voltage low profile RAM is better for that price, but this Patriot RAM is even better bang for buck. Patriot is a decent memory brand.
    PSU Good
    DVD Good
    Case Good
     
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  11. dstr

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    Thanks lehtv...I'll revamp my list.

    Also, would you help me understand about the ram please. What are you looking at that lets you know which ram is better?
     
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  12. StewieTech

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    Hum. A H77 is enough for a locked cpu, save some money.

    The gpu is weak, and bad for it´s price. A hd 6870 or a gtx 560 is a few bucks more and way better.

    That corsair psu is ok but you can get better for it´s price. I stand by my word, a ocz zt 550w is a gorgeous option(i have one, it kicks ass). Other similar options are avaible of course. In that case, the ocz, with the black full modular cables, can bring some style and airflow to the case.

    All the rest is good stuff. Starting to look good.
     
  13. Icanium

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    @ lehtv, I disagree that CAS 11 @ 1.35 volt is better than CAS 9 @ 1.5 Volts. Slower timing for the same price. I would agree if the 1.35 volts Ram was also CAS 9.
     
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    As long as it doesn't surpass 1.5v for an Intel system it's all good, to be honest.

    Also: Some people should stop arguing with Lehtv. His advice is solid, there's some weird i3 hate on the forums of late and it's mostly built upon false claims. The guy deserves more respect.
     
  15. Icanium

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    So the answer to dstr question about why CAS 11 @ 1.35 volt is better than CAS 9 @ 1.50 is, it is not.
     

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    OP. this SILVERSTONE Fortress FT03T may save you some desk space and it looks darn good. here is the review. although it may require a slot loading DVD drive, but you can always use a external DVD drive.
     
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    just make sure you get genuine Windows.
     
  18. lehtv

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    Need to look beyond the specs. Samsung's 1.35V RAM si capable of running at 1866 MHZ @ CL9 @ 1.35V in many cases, 1.5V in all cases. Plenty of people are also running at 2133 MHz @ CL11 @1.5-1.55V, check the newegg reviews.
     
  19. dstr

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    Okay...here's my updated list part agreeing with above comments.

    @lehtv...the Samsung ssd is current out of stock @ ncix and is $140 at Newegg. I'll wait another day before ordering parts.



    - Intel Core i5-3470 Ivy Bridge 3.2GHz (3.6GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2500 BX80637i53470 - $199.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115234

    - ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP LGA 1155 Intel H77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $79.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157302

    - Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - $109.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148442

    - Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - $89.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840

    - EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1461-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - $159.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

    - Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model PVI38G160C9K - $40.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

    - OCZ ZT Series 550W Fully-Modular 80PLUS Bronze High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandy Bridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom - $59.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341050

    - ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM - $19.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

    - Fractal Design Arc Midi Black High Performance PC Computer Case w/ USB 3.0 and 3 x Fractal High Performance 140mm fans - $89.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352007

    - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM - $99.99
     
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  20. lehtv

    lehtv Ancient Guru

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    Intel 330 120GB is a good SSD for only $90. Samsung is again better but not worth more than $10-20 more. Can't say for sure if Crucial is better than Intel 330, I would go with the cheaper one
     

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