Mystery solved: Z390 Chipset Will Support Intel 8-Core Processors

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  1. Jorge Nascimento

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    Ryzen 1600X oc to 4.0 and a 7700 OC to 4.9 and maginally beating AMD on 1 or 2 games by 15-20 fps, but 90% of the games 2-5 fps difference.
    So tell if AMD IPC is not better already, when a 4.0 almost matches a 7700 at 4.9 OC.
     
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    Get a 1920x and the x399 asus prime mobo or the asrock one and call it a day
     
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    blame software....not the cpu.
     
  4. Kaarme

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    Who makes software if there's no hardware to run it on? The hardware obviously needs to come first. Since Intel dominated the hardware market, actually still does, it gave the limits to software development. Aside from games, most heavier software benefitting from it can run on practically as many cores as there are, no problem, like encoding video or rendering stuff. But typical gamers didn't have more than 4 cores, plus a bit of benefit from HT, but even the HT capable i7s were expensive and thus kind of like upper mainstream because according to Intel, HT is too good for the plebs.
     

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    covfefe lake!

    Let's make Intel GREAT again! :eek:
     
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    ohh , the language used in this article is not up to the usual standard .
     
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    Faster? Sure if you look at 1080p/60Hz gaming which no one in their right mind will do with 300+$ CPUs.
    And as soon as you go 1440p or higher, its maybe 1-5fps better.

    Same for St. How many different progs are still rely on that and is run by +80% of desktop users?
    And why would you buy a cpu to be faster for that for another year or two until software catches up with multi core hardware?
    Unless of course you replace your rig every year which plays nicely into Intels hand.

    Otherwise I get similar performance for less than Intel, or more (cores etc) spending the same money.

    At least I dont know anyone that spends more than 300 on an i5, when I get R1700 for way less, same for board.
     
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    z370 probably would have launched(q2-2018) slightly before z390 which would have made sense if intel intended to launch a full 300series product stack, now that z370 has moved up, it screwed up intel's intended release schedule,

    If z390 is launching that late in the game,and its 8core coffee lake competing with 7nm zen, Things just got very interesting, really seems like intel was caught with their trousers down.
     
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    Amazing. So we have a Z170 for 6th gen Intel procs, Z270 for 7th gen, Z370 for 8th gen, and now also Z390 for 8th and 9th gen (CoffeeLake and CannonLake), all of which are socket LGA1151?
     
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    You Mad Bro?...........7700k/1080ti setup works good from what I hear?
     

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    And another chipset ! Here is a great idea intel for every 2 extra cores have a diferent chipset! So z390 for 8 core z392 for 10 core z394 for 12 etc etc no average user want to really upgrade or have use for the ability to update their cpus ever! /sarcasm off

    On the serius side though i hope thats just a rumor.
     
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    Well, Z170 can still take 7th gen if the motherboard has a compatible BIOS. But yeah, this is the worst segmentation since LGA 775.
     
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    If icelake is that true nextgen x86, from what I saw so far, then I have no excuse to wait any longer.

    Z390+ 8core sounds good.



    I never thought I would see this though, was expecting another X chipset for 8core not Z.
     
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    Thats BS, back in 2015 when i got my 6 core 5820K, it was it or the top mainstream 4 core i7 for same price, actually the six core was tad bit cheaper.
    People that needed 6 core had x99
     
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    Unless Intel knows something we don't then I don't see why they need a new chipset just to support 2-4 more cores in the same series. Surely the chipset designers knew that the 6 & 8 core CPUs were on the way when the 300-series chipset was being designed so it's not like this was an afterthought, right? If these new 6-8 core CPUs needed a different socket to support more electrical connections at the pin level (or something more exotic) then I could see the need for a new chipset but this isn't the first time Intel has released an 8-core desktop CPU; They did that way back in 2014. The Core i7 5960X from the Haswell generation packed 8 cores but it didn't need a new chipset (never mind socket), it worked just fine with the same x99 chipset that it's high-end quad-core and dual-core cousins worked with. So what gives Intel?
    It was already ridiculous that Union Point (200-series) had five different desktop chipsets plus three more on the server end and one in the mobile segment. Now they want the 300-series to have seven in the desktop sector?! I mean, they've got this whole planned obsolescence thing down to a fine art. It seems that the next logical step in the great race-to-the-bottom that Intel has become is to find a whole new way to milk this cow. What's next, a different chipset for every SKU? How about chipsets that stop working after a year? Monthly subscription fees for the drivers, inspired by Office 365? ;)
     
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    That made my Day Sarge^....haha

    "chipsets that stop working after a year? Monthly subscription fees for the drivers"

    Lol/ Thanks....:D
     
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    I guess I will have to hold off my system upgrade until 2H'18 then.
    z390 + either a 8th gen 6-core or 8-core (9th gen?) i7 will certainly be a great upgrade.
     
  18. Emille

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    I don't get why people want ancient motherboards to be compatible.

    My z170x gaming 5 is one of those boards that doesn't have native usb 3.0/3.1 etc, it also doen't have a single type c connector, and probably doesn't support ram speeds that you can buy now, and it has 2 m.2 slots when I want 3 or more with a new board.

    Remember when the latest amd boards still didn't support dd3 for more than a year after intel....I do, everyone complained about amd needing to update.


    I want up to date all the time, I upgrade my cpu every 2 to 3 years and by that time there is always a new chipset and socket out.

    Not a single person here knows whether there is any truth to the 8 core rumour, or whether it is finalised and only supported on the z390, but by all means. People who never ever intended to buy coffee or icelake....please complain about how now you are not going to support intel because of this segmentation, even though it is something intel has always done.

    I thought people were supposed to do some research before buying. You have all these morons buying cpus 18 months after they were released and then getting pissed off when a new chipset comes out 6 months later.....it's a product cycle and it's very predictable.

    If you think coffeelake is going to be rushed, and yet buy one anyway and complain that you should have waited for the refresh....you deserve to be ripped off.

    All those non hdr 4k tvs with hdmi 1.4 only and limited to 24hz....enjoy, you knew what you were buying.

    Early adopters always pay the price. Like 70% of early ryzen owners whose motherboard manufactuers will never release a fix so that they can get higher than 2800mhz etc.

    Maybe the fact that the motherboards official specs that say that it supports up to 2133mz should have been a give away, and the new intel boards supporting up to 4266, 4400mhz, 4600mhz etc...
     
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    To everyone complaining about yet another chipset, who the heck want to use an old chipset with a new cpu? It is always the motherboard/chipset that gets outdated (for me atleast). I hate my old z97. It do not support my new m.2 drives with full speed, no ddr4 and lack in all areas, the cpu is good enough (4790k). The same was with my z68 and 2500k, the chipset got outdated. So buying new motherboards when i buy a new cpu do not bother me.
     
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  20. JonasBeckman

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    Depends on how big of a step-up Intel provides between from the previous motherboard too no? As I remember the difference between the 170 and 270 motherboards were pretty minor though since Intel doesn't build reference boards anymore each manufacturer puts their own spin and extras on the board in addition to the specs Intel provides for stuff like PCIE lanes and such.

    For people still on older systems though like the 90 and below it's probably starting to build up bit by bit from RAM being DDR4 now and offering far superior speeds to NVME.2 PCIE support for high-speed SSD drives and native support for USB3.x and PCIE 3.x in addition to extended SATA3 support and more. :) (And a bios design that doesn't look like it's for DOS ha ha.)

    Will be interesting to see if Intel will offer a enthusiast X version of the 300 series motherboards too, perhaps for the eventual refresh I guess what with the Tick-Tick-Tock model or what it was called.
    (Process-Architecture-Optimization as it's called now.)


    EDIT: Money and time too for that matter, I certainly couldn't upgrade every generation although it would be fun keeping up more with the latest changes and improvements but it's not currently viable.
     

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