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MSI drops functions from BIOS of AMD's 300 and 400 series motherboards to support Ryzen 3000

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Alessio1989 Maha Guru

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    Didn't notice anything like that in the C6H with the last BIOS (but still built with ComboPI 1.0.0.2). Even CBS is fully unlocked.
    that's not a issue after all.
    Isn't that part of the AMD chipset firmware? That's crap from MSI.
    What does it do for being worse?
    That's not an issue after all, bloated BIOS GUIs must die.
     
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    Aura89 Ancient Guru

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    I would happily lose my fancy GUI with mouse support for the old fashion, simple yet useable and functional, 4 color bios screens.

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    I really feel like if they have to remove stuff from the bios, that's the first thing that should go. Anything else should be after as at that point you are lowering the functionality of the board to increase the functionality of the board....

    All of these icons and graphics and etc. don't need to be there.

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    Kaarme Ancient Guru

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    I wonder how many cents the mobo manufacturers saved by using 16MB instead of 32MB. But every small thing contributes to the profits.
     
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    wHaT!!!1?!
    No more 9500E support!? That's it, I'm never buying MSI again. Totally unacceptable. I don't even care that I only need to pick one BIOS version to suit the CPU I have, the principle of the matter is they dropped features and I won't stand for this!
    *hyperventilates over getting excessively triggered*



    On a serious note:
    I was thinking the same thing, though, maybe they don't even have to go that far. I'm sure they waste a hell of a lot more space with a few of those graphics (which are probably bitmaps) than the new microcode. They could still have a GUI with all the benefits (like live sensor data) but they could probably cut back on some of the cheesy graphics, and maybe go down to 16-bit color. That way, everyone wins: you get a cleaner interface that isn't limited to the appeal of teenage boys, and, you get to include all AM4 microcode. Granted, the screenshots of that interface don't look as bad as others I've seen.

    Another thing worth pointing out is I've commonly found Intel-specific features in a few more budget-oriented boards. Sometimes they were grayed-out since they obviously didn't do anything, but I wonder if perhaps the code for them is still there. I doubt there's enough of this kind of unusable code they could clean up to make room for Zen2, but, it sure wouldn't hurt.

    These kinds of EEPROM tend to be much more expensive per Kb than just about any other form of modern storage. It wouldn't surprise me if they actually saved over a dollar by going for 16Mb. Of course, it all depends on how it's all interfaced, because sometimes one of those chips can range from $0.50 to $4.50.
     
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    TheDeeGee Ancient Guru

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    Indeed, on my current motherboard i also use the Classic layout, i find it easier to navigate in.
     
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    I think it's totally fine to eliminate the code for older CPUs so you could use the new ones.
    As long as the motherboard supports the flash bios feature, or you'd be f*ed if you actually had the processor they dropped and were trying to update the bios, I don't know how that would work.
     
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    Well, I doubt MSI is making any more 300 series boards (not sure about 400) so any existing boards as of today will be assumed Zen2 incompatible out-of-the-box. If you already possess one of these boards, are using one of the now-dropped CPUs, and want to upgrade to Zen2, I would assume the BIOS update will complete, but the PC will be rendered unbootable until you put in the new Zen2 CPU. I don't really see why the very few Bristol Ridge users out there would want to update to this latest version if they didn't intend to upgrade, since I'm sure they won't see any benefits at all.
     
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    So if MSI's are the current popular boards, Ryzen 3000 is looking like a nice new upgrade even for relatively new CPU model owners but you need the 570 or variants because backwards compatibility can't be guaranteed (" ") to be compatible and the boards also cost more (Wasn't that also MSI saying they wouldn't be very cheap?) then this would drive users towards upgrading also the motherboard maybe picking a MSI model.

    With the possibility of other vendors pushing for a backwards compatibility bios and marketing unless they're all starting to drop support in this fashion though I don't think that's going to happen if those boards cost more and a 450 could be more than enough if power delivery holds up. (PCI-E 4.0 and all but it's not the be all end all update just yet.)

    We'll see how it goes, I'd be doubling down on promoting existing stock as backwards compatible and selling those out clearing inventory and such if the competition was pushing for a enthusiast level priced alternative as the only choice but then again I don't know anything about business and then there's also investors and other pressure and always profits, all the profits, more profits and constant profits driving ... further profits. Ha ha.

    Something like that, covering both entry, mid and high end in addition to enthusiast hardware and more importantly the price range seems better at least.
    (And at 400 dollars or higher for a motherboard this isn't exactly entry level pricing or even mid-range possibly pushing above high-end board pricing but I don't know the level of these since my own upgrade in 2011 - 2012 somewhere and the market has changed since then.)
     

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    Well, it would still flash, it just wouldn't come back from a reboot (until you pop a supported proc in) ;) my guess MSI would put safeguards (ARE YOU SURE Y/N) in the flashing routine exe to avoid that situation however.
     
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    as long as they warn the user before downloading of the bios and again before applying it, no problem for me
    and yeah honestly those fancy animated "casual-easy" screen should be the 1st thing to go, people who use them shouldn't be in the bios anyway

    btws ASROCK insists on their webpage and documentation that users with no problems should not update their bios
     
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    I remember that few ago bios where on removable rom... very convenient to build bios mod on larger rom if it can be done.
    Maybe it would have been done here (but i know it is better to make user spend their money in a new motherboard... Capitalism, you know...)
     
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    Would you rather have communism? Profit motive is what drives innovation, or do they not teach basic economics anymore? When i was finishing at my university 20 years ago, most professors seemed to be far more interested in teaching social justice and political activism than anything that will make you money in life. Judging by all the Sanders supporters among young people, clearly its gotten worse. Amazing that people would be against the economic system which has done more to increase the standard of living among billions of people than any other system in history.

    And fyi, please don't confuse corporatism with capitalism. quite often people mistake the former for the latter. corporatism is a cancer.
     
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    Please don't confuse tech forums as a place for political rantings.
     

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    So the S-ATA RAID firmware is still present, but without gimmick graphics? Not so bad after all, you do not usually play with the RAID firmware so much like any other BIOS settings, you only need to select the drives, the mode and the strip size, command/text mode is enough, you set-up the RAID only one time for a system...
     
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    No one cares about politics , AND it is also against forum rules. so lets close this.
     
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