Discussion in 'The Guru's Pub' started by alanm, Dec 13, 2020.
they used a helicopter
We may not know what tools they had, but we know what tools they didn't have - and that is the point, they did not have the ability to make a humongous perfect lens the size of the great pyramid.
How they made the lens is addressed somewhere in the vid. And it doesnt have to be a "perfect lens the size of the great pyramid". Your exaggerating does not nullify the basic argument that granite could be molten. It is not an absolute that a giant lens were used (even though that is the theory), but rather that the granite was molten is some way or another. If you do not accept that, you only have the carving or hauling of those 70 ton slabs into place to fall back on (or aliens). Which is no less of a preposterous idea.
Can you melt granite in the 21st century? Yes
Can you construct a massive perfect lens in the times when the pyramids were constructed to be so accurate that it can cut granite with perfect precision? NO
Not sure where you get the idea that a "perfect lens" is needed to do the job (despite your quoting me that it doesnt have to be "perfect").
The mixture for the lens can be poured into large cloth sheets. The weight of the mixture will cause it to settle and form into a large convex shape (like is done in vid below with plastic sheets and water as a giant 'aqua lens').
Also lets not forget the limestone concrete poured into molded blocks, which is probably the biggest point of interest since most theories had presumed they were carved into shape, transported and hoisted into place. Cant imagine anyone would think that as somehow more plausible than the LS concrete into molds theory.
And finally, it just boggles the mind that the miracle of the pyramids built 4500 years ago is not in doubt but that silly technicalities (by comparison) mentioned above would be in question .
Glad to know you have ended your fruitless input with '/thread', but others welcome to pitch in with whatever alternate theories may be plausible.
Knowledge was lost due to "modernization." New more efficient methods along with a change in focus on what is perceived as of value is to blame. Plus humans as a whole have no clue anymore how to spend one's whole working career erecting a single building. Ten years for a single building is even too long to be of any worth; deemed too costly. Low tech methods have been being lost since the beginning of time...nothing new. Something as simple as mending a hole in a sock in such a way that the location of the hole cannot be detected is a lost art and that is more recent than the pyramids (waste of time...cheaper and easier to just buy a replacement pair).
"Alien" build. watch Stargate SG1
any thoughts on that 260 pages research paper that's 2 mouse-clicks away when you google "Egyptian pyramids limestone concrete theory", and which concludes: not even a remote possibility ?
They slid the blocks across sand with camels then moved the sand.
everybody needs a good camel...or truck...
Everybody knows that it was the aliens, didn´t you watch Stargate?...
Did the Annunaki really enslave humans to mine gold?
Pic or it didn't happen.
And there are theories the Great Pyramid was built some 10,000 years ago.
They used levers, steps and ramps and lots of water.
It's probably one of the most researched things on earth.
But I do find it interesting that there are very few actual texts that describe what happened, one, The Diary of Merer was just found in 2013!
I love a good mystery.
Hold on, i will ask my Mummy..........no.............tough room.
Not sure about the pyramids, but some ancient Egyptian structures were built by the Hebrews during the time of Moses.
Also, King Solomon built the Temple by controlling a demon.
No one breathing oxygen will tell us the truth...
Orion correlation theory:
@alanm Video is quite long. But I have scanned thread. Some things are funny.
If we believe in lasers cutting granite, and ability to create semi-usable lens, we run into very practical problem. Earth's rotation. In modern times, you could take perfect lenses made specifically to turn solar radiation into laser. But even then you'll need computer which will adjust angles of mirror and lenses, otherwise it will deviate and hand adjustments of something so bright is kind of impossible. (You run blind as you do not have welding helmet.)
Then you have other problem. Final lens which takes focused light and turns it into straight beam must be flawless. Laser width will be as wide as this lens. Which means that energy density going through this lens is tremendous. Impurity means energy loss as heat. (Lens self destructs.)
Video with lens made of liquid is OK. It is doable for about 60 years as it is time since we have plastic sheets/bags. (But I am not sure if 1st ones were translucent.)
So, before that, you could take cloth? Similar mechanical properties, but not optical. Sadly, there was no optical material enabling creation of liquid based lenses before.
Now about molding. Theoretically possible. But question is volume and time. That little sample block, person made in video took month to harden. How long it will take to mold and harden 20~70 tons block? You know, it needs to harden before you start molding another one above it.
Sure, they could have used concrete for some purposes.
Example given was 10 people making 2 tons block in 2 weeks. (That's if you have materials.)
And that brings very funny notion. Have you seen how concrete is made in modern times? What is largest volume made at a time?
Video presents you with theory of entire underground part ... function of time and volume.
And statement that this 450,000m^3 is not much... just hilarious.
As much as dude with huge lens above his head heating granite to 1500 degrees Celsius and higher. Putting little bricks there to melt... hf... gg.
I'll tell you secret. Historians, scientists, ... can't even get to (agree on) actual skin color of people who built pyramids.
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Then there are contradictions. They present you with Egyptian technologies as being kept secret.
Yet later they tell you that they shared them across the globe.
Statement like: Mayans could not develop technology for their pyramids. If they could not, then Egyptians could not either.
Or way they attribute anything and everything that has three holes (windows/doors) in it to Egyptian.
Then those 5mm wide and quite deep laser holes? Good Job even today.
Or square holes? Again Egyptian Lazors?
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And in the end, they practically play in hands of UFO crowd. They show reasonable science of how things could have been done. But no tooling surviving.
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Now, since I wanted to be entertained at least a bit, I checked comments on YT.
And made a little reply to one of those magical theorists:
Imagine size of lens, its weight if you used it to melt 2 tons or rocks in course of one day.
And that gets you to real science. Solar radiation on surface peaks at around 1200W per square meter. Averaging around 1000W per square meters.
Granite, while having around 5 times smaller thermal capacity than water still has 780 J / (kg * degree C).
That brings you to situation with lens covering 1m square = 1000W. 1kg of granite having thermal capacity above. And need to increase its temperature by 1500 degrees Celsius.
This requires input of 1,185,000 Joules with no loss due to IR radiation into environment.
Time to do this is 19.75 minutes with 1000W power source (perfect lens). If we do some rounding and take 4m^2 lens, we are at 5minutes time needed to melt 1kg of granite.
12kg per hour. 120kg per day. 1 ton in 8.3 days.
Average granite block used is like 2~2.5 tons, so 19 days. And that is ignoring fact that moment you let melted material cool down over night, you will not be able to bond it with newly melted addition next day.
Or you can cut the time by getting ridiculously large and heavy lenses. To melt 2 tons of granite in day, area of lens would have to be around 80 m^2.
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80m^2 by itself is already ridiculous. But imagine such lens and think about its thickness. Because if it is not thick enough, you'll need to place it quite far from focal point.
Can you even reasonably balance its weight against size of structure which is meant to keep it above melted material?
And as Sun moves over the sky, can you move that construction sufficiently around to get focused light into same spot?
@Fox2232 Well made points. Tbh, I doubt anyone can know for sure at this point in time. All I know is that the traditional theory of 2.3 million 2+ ton limestone blocks carved in quarries, transported and hoisted into place (along with 70 ton granite slabs) do not make sense either. Would love to hear your theories on how these structures were constructed.
The show Ancient Aliens, has all kinds of ideas and theorys about all of this. Good show to watch if your into all this stuff. I'm not saying aliens built anything but more like it could be possible theres alot of ideas about this subject.