Mid-Range NVIDIA Kepler to Challenge AMD 7900 High-End Cards

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  1. sykozis

    sykozis Ancient Guru

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    Nope, HD7970 was $550USD at launch. To be a mid-range card by price, it'd have to be $200-$300USD at launch....making it $250-$350 cheaper than the HD7970. If it outperforms the HD7970.....nVidia won't price is as a mid-range card. It'll be $600.
     
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    Was thinking the same thing.
     
  3. Noisiv

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  4. crap daddy

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    No. That's the trick, make a better/equal card to the 7970 and sell it for much less. I expect 400$ MSRP for a Kepler GPU that will trade blows with the top AMD. That will bring down to earth AMD's pricing - 400$ for the 7970 and 300-350$ for the 7950. These should have been the prices in the first place.
     

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    So? I never said it was.



    This is getting nowhere, i said what i had to say in last reply. ;p

    Bye
     
  6. The Chubu

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    The thing is, that sort of stuff never happened.

    No company is going to price their product that low for teh lulz only. If AMD priced their card at 550 USD and ppl bought it, then if nVidia offers a card that performs better, it will be priced higher.
     
  7. Noisiv

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    Following that logic we'd be on $2000 by now.

    GK 104 is performance chip stripped of all DP capabilities, likely smaller then 79xx.
    Performance chip challenging competitor's high-end will be a weird situation,
    with no precedent, so we have no history to base our predictions on.

    Yet I expect no more then $400 mark, and brought down further later on,
    especially when the BigK arrives, or even lower if launched simultaneously.
    Else people will not upgrade and happily render console ports on their old GPU's.

    See that sh1t in my sig?
    Yeah it gets me on mostly high/sometimes medium through all of my gaming on 1080p
     
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  8. CronoGraal

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    cool, we'll see what happens. no point in throwing feces at eachother based on speculations
     
  9. alanm

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    Think back to the 6600gt, which beat ATIs top card, the 9800 Pro, which was around $450. The 6600gt was $225 at release. Same with 8800gt which raped the more expensive HD2900 and was also released at around $225. I doubt Nvidia will release a mid-range Kepler much higher than that.
     
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    ok, ok...you are comparing an old gen card with a new gen card.. ati 9000 was designed to compete with fx5000 series...the x700/x800 was designed to compete with 6600/6800..so you are wrong there.

    Next, don't bring hd2900 in discussion, the card was a failure from the start, ati failed with that architecture..and if i remember correct the 8800gt was as fast as the 8800gtx and a lot cheaper.
     

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    The 2900XT is what brought us to the HD6000 series. The HD7xxx is the first completely new arch since then. That's what I have been lead to believe anyway. At least AMD fixed it (much like Nvidia fixed Fermi). As for 8800GT pricing, it was $300 at launch.

    I had a 2900XT for a bit, and to say it was a failure was putting it lightly. I find it funny b/c so many AMD fans think that only Nvidia can produce a power hungry, hot, and under performing card and sell it for too much money but they are all so eager to forget the 2900XT...

    /rant on
    It "featured" a 6 AND 8 pin power connector, ran at a solid 80°C (or more) constantly, sold for $400 (100 more than a 8800GT at launch) and performed worse than said 8800GT. Did I mention it sounded like a handheld vacuum cleaner? Some people even crossfired them....I can't even imagine how bad that could have been.
    /rant off
     
  12. Darren Hodgson

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    Not if it's being marketed as a mid-range card it won't!

    NVIDIA have to remain competitive as well as profitable after all so if they can produce a faster mid-range card then they'd be mad to sell at a higher price just because AMD's top-of-the-range £450 card is slower! It ultimately comes down to how much it costs them to produce the cards and what they can afford to sell them at to take attention away from AMD. They can easily shuffle the pricing of their existing cards down to fill gaps until Kepler replacement cards are available to cover low to high specs.

    I'd expect NVIDIA's high-end card(s) to cost £400+ so if the rumours are true about the GK104 being a mid-range replacement for the GTX 560 Ti then I'd be surprised if it wasn't in in the £280-£340 range, bearing in mind it is rumoured to have 2 GB with a 256-bit bus not 3 GB of video memory, which would lower costs somewhat. I can't help but think that Semi-Accurate's enthusiasm for the GK104 comes not just from its specs but also its intended pricing.

    Time will tell.
     
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    i know, i had a friend with one, have to say the card looked great, and on paper it was a monster.
     
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    I agree Darren, if these chips are small and have been relatively hassle free compared to Fermi, then Nvidia will be in a position to sell them at better prices.

    Considering Nvidia are financially more stable than AMD, forcing them to sell their flagship card at a greatly reduced price is good business for Nvidia.

    Course AMD may have something else up their sleeve, the 7970 was seriously underclocked for some reason, maybe to see what Nvidia were going to do.
     
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    AMD charges this premium for the 7970 and soon the 7950 because they have no competition now. These should have been cards to replace the 6970 and 6950 at a similar price-point. You can't increase performance by 40% with a new generation and ask almost double the price (350 for the 6970 and 550 for the 7970) so I really think NV will hit them hard in the price wars. AMD should put on the market as many cards as they can at these prices now before NV comes out because then they'll have to drastically reduce in order to stay competitive.
     

  16. Darren Hodgson

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    I've seen a rumour, also reported in this month's Custom PC magazine, that AMD originally had a more powerful HD 79x0 card with 2,304 stream processors and higher clock speeds. They may be holding off on revealing/releasing it until NVIDIA unveil their Kepler cards. I wouldn't be at all be surprised if they did but it'd be even more expensive than the HD 7970 which sells here in the UK for an eye-watering £450+.
     
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    7970 goes for $729 in aus...you could SLI some high end non reference 570's for that price. Or tri-sli 560ti's
     
  18. cowie

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    if nv does have a better p/p card in the 6xx or w/e,whats next for amd?

    Oh whats amd have a 1000$ card up there sleaves,or a card that they bump the clocks up and charge you more.
    what are amd going to do now(in imediate time)put out a faster then the 7980 card for a cheaper price.
    or offer money back like nv did with some 280 owners?

    remember if nv has a just as good "mid range" card it will be the same price as the 7980 knowing them,it is nv we are talking about here lol
     
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    There is nothing to remember. They would not sell to targeted audience then.
    If anything 8800 GT brutalized entire AMD offering, yet it was set at $259:

     
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    So yes the 88gt with cheap crap cooler a 4 phases pos and cut down bus,yeah that was cheap

    Can you really say that about any other mid range nv card doing that to amd in the last decade?
    Yeah you forgot what happened with the 280 pricing? it might be the other way around this time but also shaping up to be the same situation
     

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