Microsoft Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S Pricing and Availability Revealed

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  1. vbetts

    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    Of course that's to be expected. The Xbox One, One S, One S, PS4 and PS4 Pro all run on Jaguar cores that were already known to have very low IPC, on top of that even the One X is still clocked moderately low. This is mostly due to the fact that most older games that were released before the time of the One X, never got any official One X patch to actually take advantage of the minimal CPU boost, the moderate memory boost, and the high GPU boost(with Polaris being DX12 optimized better than older GCN design, and DX12 scaling better on lower hardware). The CPU core design is the same just a higher clocked rate, but the memory has way more bandwidth and the Polaris GPU in the One X is leagues faster and better optimized than the older GCN GPU in the original One and One S. In order to fully take advantage of that on an ecosystem that's closed off, you do actually need to develop for it in mind.
     
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    Glottiz Master Guru

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    How about you watch the Series S video that Microsoft published on Youtube? It clearly says Gears 5 runs at 120FPS with no impact to visual fidelity. There are no FPS dips from what they've shown so far. But if there was a dip so what? Xbox supports FreeSync for years. It's a 299$ console. Even $2000 PCs have FPS dips.

    I just don't understand your rant at all. Someone doesn't have 120Hz TV yet? No problem. They can play in 60FPS mode, and when they do get 120hz TV they will be able to use that mode as well. It's all about choice, it's great that we are finally given that choice and that high FPS gaming is becoming reality on consoles, especially on entry $299 consoles. More people need to experience this.
     
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  3. CPC_RedDawn

    CPC_RedDawn Ancient Guru

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    It wasn't a rant, it was genuine questions. You can't just post a screen shot and expect everyone to believe it.

    I just don't get why people are getting hyped about a $300 console that pales in comparison the higher end consoles. Sure they showed Gears 5 (a last gen game) running on the machine. But what is going to happen to next gen games? Are they going to be stuck at 30fps if developers choose to push graphics or are developers going to choose to optimise graphics around the power of this machine and then just slap on 4K for the higher end machines? There has already been a few developers come out and publicly state that they are not keen on this weaker console as it's yet more work that needs to be on games, and it also stifles their vision. Sometimes you just have to move forward, a cheaper console should of come later down the line that could of been closer to the specs of the X, or the X drops in price and new more powerful console gets released to replace it like what happened this current generation.

    This all seems like a ploy by microsoft to try and take the sales crown from Sony, they know they can't compete on first party titles so they make a weaker console which will have more appeal to a wider audience, slap on a subscription model that includes games and get them tied into their ecosystem whereby if they leave it for Sony all their games are now gone. Its clever but I feel it only hurts the industry and doesn't progress it, its like they are taking 10 steps forward and 6 steps back.
     
  4. itpro

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    4k upscaled 30 fps, 1440p 60 fps, 1080p 120fps even for the most demanding games is a legit scenario for xbox series s. It isn't so bad. At least it will not be inferior to xbox one x in anything but better with lesser gpuraw power. Xbox one X was 1.5x the price and 1.5x tflops more. But old tech.
     

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    There is a lot of concern that MS might have gimped out on the Series S a little bit too much. There are some Devs out there like Id Software that are saying that the small and slower amount of RAM inside of the Series S is going to be hard to compensate for. https://wccftech.com/id-software-devs-concerns-xbox-series-s-specs/ Which could mean the the Series S could turn into 1080p 60fps from 1440p or they might have to use checkeredboard rendering like they did on the PS4 pro with 4K.
     
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    Xbox Series S may not be able to play Xbox Series X enhanced titles due to having only 8GB of RAM. Well they can, but only at 720p.
     
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    My bet is that 4k enhanced games get a patch to run at 1440p while the scaler hardware upscales it to output to 4k on your 4k tv, i mean the S is not aimed at 4k so i suspect 1440p will be patched into the enhanced and BC stuff, assuming they don't just have the normal BC games that the Xbox S got.
     
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    It has 10GB, but why wouldn't it? It would just stream lower quality assets.
     
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  9. itpro

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    It's official. Microsoft said series s only upgrades one s games. Will not be able to run one x enhanced games. So do not expect running series x optimized titles either. It is a league on its own weakness. It is doa for Xbox one x owners. It's only for those owning full hd/720p monitors. It is a very bad console. Unbearable.
     

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