Microsoft: why TPM chips are required for Windows 11

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    When running Windows 11 a TPM (Trusted Platform Modules) chip will become mandatory, the purpose of TPM 2.0 is "to protect encrypted keys, user credentials and other confidential data behind th...

    Microsoft: why TPM chips are required for Windows 11
     
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  2. KissSh0t

    KissSh0t Ancient Guru

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    Only $75 for a TPM module ? ..... More like $500+
     
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    There`s a tpm on ebay....current bid £220 with 14 hours left....WTF
     
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    Not sure why anyone would buy a TPM for over £200. Since that money could be better spent towards upgrading to a newer CPU/Mobo.
     

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    All this fuss but I would bet that this requirement is cracked by hackers before the official iso is even available.
     
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    Not bad, i see that sheep still buy what they have been told them to buy a whatever price...
    A top quality external TPM 2.0 module is 30 Euro at max a normal one around 15 Euro (both without local tax)
     
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    I have a version that is said to be the beta of windows11, she accepted the bypass ok!
    i7 4th generation here (Haswell) B85m-e / BR, WITHOUT TPM / TPM2.0 or PTT.
     

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    SpajdrEX AMD Vanguard

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    @DanielRX It's possible that this dev version does not have TPM requirement implemented yet.
     
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    Well, that isn't exact.
    It is true that the features you mentioned are integrated, however the core feature of TPM is somewhat connected to digital rights management, e.g. encrypting data of streaming services, so the user on the machine cannot sniff the data that he/she is streaming. This is quite controversy and probably will not be suitable with some rights, at least in the EU.

    Since Windows 11 is more or less a Feature-Update to Windows 10, which is just rebranded, TPM on Windows 10 was only optional up until now. Thus there is the theory, why they rebranded the "update" to Windows 11, making a new OS out of it, because this allows Microsoft to define new requirements without hassle.

    However, it is yet to be seen how exactly Microsoft is going to really force it though. On my VM I could install the leaked version of Windows 11 without any issues and with TPM disabled.

    Edit: TPM has received quite some critic and I am also against it, because it limits the users access to the machine and may even harm you more than it gives any benefit. The HASH-Keys are also generated beyond any standards, which means the encryption created by TPM is very trivial at this point. Also if something breaks in combination with TPM, you may loose access to all your Data or irrepressibly damage your hardware. By enabling TPM, you also basically grand access to organisations like the NSA taking control of your machine without you even knowing it, since - as I've already mentioned - the HASH-Keys are stored beyond the user's range that is also not even tied to any certified standards - the encryption is basically non-certified, thus not trusted.
    I advice not to use TPM at all.
     
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    then try to install there and you will see that there is a need and it is mandatory to use the system TPM2.0 or fTPM, what I did there was mix the official Windows10 ISO with the Windows11 Beta ISO, so I was able to do the Bypass, if I hadn't done that, I wouldn't be able to install this version on the 4th generation i7, try there and let me know later.
     

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    Very easy to do. Modify the ISO and replace appraiserres.dll with the win 10 version of the file.
     
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    @DanielRX All right, you didn't mention from the start that you modified the ISO :)
     
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    I am baffled. Not yet released, not yet proved that it's mandatory (ISO/registry hack) and yet people are stumbling over to get those TPM things.
    Shows how we function, really.
    Writing this from my insecure, old and deprecated Linux Zen latest KDE distribution
     
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    final release will not have a kernel hard requirement, it'll still work on mbr/bios too.

    this installer level block will be patched day 1.
     
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    Just use Win 10 until EOL date, by that time your current system is due for an upgrade anyways.

    Don't waste money on scalped modules.
     

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    Only truth in that statment.
     
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    Did you guys even read the article? "83% of companies suffered a firmware-based attack". Your answer to this is to break the OS protection against this lol.

    There is no relatively modern CPU without TPM support you can just enable. Otherwise you can stay with perfectly fine Windows 10 for another half decade.
     
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    TPM isn't to prevent a firmware based attack.
     
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    Users should stop elitism. Especially when their maximum knowledge stops on IT support or active directory. Developers should have the upper hand on those matters. I do not think Microsoft developers have issues for their new OS to work with older hardware. Marketing and sales says otherwise.
     
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    Nothing to do with this point. The person I quoted said he installed it on a Haswell system and I pointed out he modified the ISO. Pretty sure this will not be doable by time of final release.
     
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