Microsoft to follow Apple, designing their own ARM based processors

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Not only that, their will impose their Pluto chip into majority of x86 CPU architecture.
    For better security...
     
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    second time's the charm?
     
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    Seems a large blurry statement, do you have any source to dig deeper?
     

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    Interesting times in the chip industry. Nvidia buying ARM, Apple and Microsoft "moving" to ARM, AMD competing strongly with Intel.

    That smells potential further concentrations. Who will buy whom ?
     
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    AMD is also on the arm wagon too...
    It's logical... even more if you have tried a normal X86 Mac and compare it to the entry level Mac M1... you do the same, faster, with lot less ressource.
    The big arm mac will be interesting i think.
     
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    A lot more leather jackets for somebody next year.
     
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    Oh, sweet summer child, how innocent are your thoughts and feelings...
     
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    I've been championing this for a few years now. It's the logical path to take. Unfortunately it took Apple's M1 to show it's potential before MS saw the light. My sons generation will know Windows as an ARM os that runs on everything.
     
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    Bring back Cyrix. lol
     
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    and probably AMD/TSMC's iteration out of all current players.
    no-one has more experience fabbing ARM than TSMC. the M1 is a TSMC fabbed cpu (some Samsung to follow).
    it has the inherent low power savings of both the ARM design and the 5nm process as well as the clock speed advantages too.
    AMD has been into open source and ARM computing for some time. their previous work just wasn't ready for prime time given x86 on a larger process node was better from them and from Intel.
    Apple, Samsung, and Qualcomm really pushed the envelope @ 7nm and showed what high speed ARM can do,
    Apple bought into the concept whole hog, which brought a bittersweet smirk to the face of Qualcomm having championed it almost alone. but it's Qualcomm's own damn fault they snoozed while Nvidia bought out ARM.
     
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    Nvidia buying ARM was genius tbh. Something that was frowned upon 5yrs ago when people suggested such a thing as they couldn't see how ARM would be useful.
     
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    Microsoft has been using ARM in Surface for a long time. IIRC, they even did an OS for an ARM CPU a couple of years back--along with Win8 (which was a terrible idea no one ever asked for!) Many companies have been designing their own ARM CPUs for various uses for a long time--this practice was not invented at Apple,btw. Apple's M1 is a nice little CPU for low-powered single-threaded performance and might even have some practical use running the Rosetta emulator, even. ARM as an embedded CPU has always been about sipping power since the first ARM embedded processor rolled out years ago. It's way behind in raw, multiheaded, multicore performance--but then, it was never designed for that. It might come as a belated shock to some but CPUs incompatible with established hardware and software standards are not all the rage and I cannot anticipate that they will be anytime soon. Designing speedy, energy sipping CPUs compatible with nothing is fairly easy compared to designing backwards compatible CPUs that have no performance peers in the global markets. I'm only surprised that more people aren't aware of this fact. This reminds me of Apple's declared "post-PC" era that never came about--for all of the obvious reasons an intelligent person had no problem understanding. x86 CPUs of yore are long dead--but long live "x86" compatibility...;)
     
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    I do not think the issue is x86 vs Arm. Is more the fact that legally intel is the only one owning the right to build a x86 compatible cpu, and they are not giving that to anyone anymore.
    so the players are just the one that bought a license back then.

    In this way ARM is the only future, because is the only one people can design and improve outside intel.
     
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    @asturur Intel, AMD, VIA -Zhaoxin are x86 licensed manufacturers.
    As open instruction set+compilers there are RISC-V processors. Don't forget about Talos while at it.
     
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    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/hands-on-with-the-apple-m1-a-seriously-fast-x86-competitor/
    Just gonna throw that here. The M1 is very close or outperforms quad core cpus, while still maintaining a lower power draw. This is also the first iteration of the chip, Apple is planning a 32 core SOC.
     
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    Indeed Apple reached out for the low hanging fruit.
    ARM was in their list from the moment they realised that iPads and iPhone could reach the compute power of an everyday machine without an Intel processor.
    And building their own set of instructions and honing the OS to perfection is a very rewarding long lasting investment.
    From the cold logical business point of view it's a smart cunning move.
    And they will NOT accept the Microsoft's Pluto security chip embedded in their silicon.

    /
    Appl: Security, you say Microsoft?
    We tweaked the hell outta Darwin BSD chimera! Go home Microsoft, you're drunk!
    Ms: Think about the children!!
     
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