Microsoft To Announce XBox Project Scorpio Tomorrow

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    On Thursday at 3 PM CET / 6 AM PT / 9 AM ET / 2 PM UK Microsoft will reveal their XBox 'Project Scorpio'. Digital Foundry states to be able to bring the news exclusively. We assume technical spec...

    Microsoft To Announce XBox Project Scorpio Tomorrow
     
  2. Fox2232

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    If only AMD gave us APU like this... Years and years they have this technology working...
    People would love it in HTPC as small linux/windows boxes with great performance.

    Yet it still looks like Raven Ridge will be 4C/8T + 11 Vega NCU. While Vega NCU is considerably better and clocks should be much better than regular CU, we could have in good wattage much more.

    Looking at A10-7870k performance, Raven Ridge CPU side will deliver 2,4x higher processing power.
    And Graphical side: 8 CU to 11 NCU = 1.375x ; 866MHz to ~1233MHz = 1.42x ; improvements in architecture (including reduced IMC starvation) = 1.35x
    => So graphical boost should be around 2.64x. That's not small boost at all, but could be much higher.
     
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    icedman Maha Guru

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    I hope it's not a bore like the Pro.
     

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    If the specs are to be believed then the price will be double what the PS4 Pro currently is.
     
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    Cave Waverider Maha Guru

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    4.2 TFlops would be disappointing and on the weak side. 6 TFlops is better, but it'll still be a bit low, IMHO.
     
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    4K gaming?

    Like the Xbox One 4K gaming?

    23 may 2013:

    http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/121249-microsoft-confirms-xbox-one-will-support-4k-resolution-and-3d

    Back to April 2017: Almost all Xbox One gaming is at 900p/30 FPS

    Upscaling to 4K/checkbox/variable res are all tricks used when the hardware is unable to output real 4K.

    IMHO Xbox Scorpio will be Xbox One PRO: a fake 4K console a little more powerful than PS4 PRO but unable to deliver REAL 4K gaming.

    Lately (last few months) MS only spoke about first party native 4K gaming for Scorpio i.e.:


    https://gamerant.com/xbox-project-scorpio-runs-native-4k/

    Saccharine is not really sugar... :puke2:
     
  8. Ghosty

    Ghosty Ancient Guru

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    Of course the Scorpo will be using upscaling to achieve 4k. Unless they are willing to price a true 4k console at $800.
     
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    I'm pretty sure Microsoft stated it has a 6TFLOP GPU in it.

    EDIT: http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/Project_Scorpio

    Yeah, they already announced its 6Tflops.

    980Ti is 5.6tflops and is more than capable of handling most games at 4K@30 - which is where consoles will be targeting anyway. Couple that with with consoles just having better optimization in general and there should be no need for weird upscaling tech. 2D/Indie/Smaller games with lesser graphics should easily be able to hit 4K@60.

    So I don't know why people are making it sound like 4K gaming is far fetched for it. Seems perfectly doable.
     
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    More TFLOPS (I really hate that that term) doesn't always equate to a better 4k experience. In some cases it can actually be worse. The PS4 Pro can already do 4k @ 30fps. So I don't see how scorpo will excite anyone. The specs may be better but the performance will be the same.
     

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    Lol..

    This is like saying a Bugatti Veyron isn't always faster because it could potentially race without wheels. Yeah, unless AMD decides to like butcher it's architecture and stick 2GB of ram on a 4K gaming machine with a 12 bit bus - more tflops is better. We're obviously assuming a balanced architecture.

    Also the PS4 Pro does 4K@30 in some games - in others it does the checkboard upscaling. It's also essentially a crossfire setup - as opposed to one GPU and it's 1.8Tflops slower and based on an older architecture. The PS4 had a .5tflop advantage over the Xbox One and there were plenty of games that ran faster and/or at a higher resolution on the PS4 and that was only a half a tflop.
     
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    Is there a noticeable difference in graphical fidelity between checkboard and true 4k?
     
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    Also given the less than impressive sales figures for the PS4 Pro also proves that consumers are happy with 1080p. Don't forget that a high priced tv is needed too. I'm still interested in what Microsoft has to offer though.
     
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    Depends on the method and distance from the monitor. Console games on a TV? I'd say you'd have difficulty picking out which is which. PC games? Maybe you could reliably tell, depending on the method.
     
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    I don't believe there'll be when played on a monitor with higher pixel density. I believe most consoles are connected to TVs so, perhaps one sits to far away to notice.

    The gap is certainly being bridged.
     

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    Even if you make the argument that there is no visible difference with checkboarding.. Microsoft can do checkboarding and then use the extra performance to increase draw distance, or add objects/advanced shaders/etc, or improve framerate, or a combination of all the above - which will noticeably increase graphics quality.

    Also this isn't to say I think the PS4 Pro is bad. I just don't understand the comments about the Scorpio not being able to handle 4K. It should definitely be able to do it at console framerates/optimizations/graphics levels.
     
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    They could do that yes. I'm hoping they will. The biggest hurdle in showcasing a 4k capable console is that you need a 4k tv to see the difference. 1080p with supersampling is easer to show off.
     
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    Price.....PRice.....PRICE.....!! This type of "incremental" release of information is a joke. They do not want to smash the scene with the price tag because that would seriously put a bad taste in a lot of peoples' mouths. That is if it is more than $500 IMO. Which I do not see how it could be possible, but here is to being hopeful as I would love to scoop one up given the right circumstances.... Actual games for the console and that ever so elusive "cloud computing" addition to make so many of my games look that much more epic and immersive.
     
  19. Ricepudding

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    6Tflops i doubt will be enough for 4k60, atleast not high/ultra settings, currently the cards that reach 4k60 on all games are the 1080ti/titanxp and they have around 11 tflops each. So either it's more powerful than that or we can expect games at a lower setting to make up for it. Either way i reckon this might cost around £500-£600 though guess we might find out tomorrow

    On the brightside all xbox games come to pc now anyway so isn't that needed for people who already have a strong system to handle these games
     
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    I think MS should be more worried about Xboxs gaming library than in releasing a more powerfull version of the current Xbox...
    Good hardware is nice and all but only if it has good software to go with it...
     

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