Microsoft might rethink on Windows 8 flagship software

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  1. IPlayNaked

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    At no time has Microsoft admitted Windows 8 was a failure.
     
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    The interesting part is always knowing how many licenses have reached the end-user
     

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    He didn't understand what the phrase 'being in context' means.
     
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    I just know at work, one of the engineers on my team said it took them 30 minutes to figure out how to shut down the 2012 version of windows server. Something to do with moving your mouse to the right side of the screen or something? I can't even remember.
     
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    So what will happen to normal Win8 build 9200? Stay as it is @ 9200 and be abandoned?
     
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    Maybe should rethink his "engineer" title. He's clearly making too much money.
     
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    Are you personally invested in the success of Win8? I have no idea why you would think that the shutdown methods in it are obvious at all. Good UX is having things where you would expect them to be. I no way would a person expect that they have to move a mouse in a certain place on the screen and click a few vague buttons to get to a shutdown.
     
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    Moving your mouse to the top right corner to pop the charms bar out and press shutdown ... how hard is that? It's in the documentations too o_O... Your engineer should have just Googled it, would have been much faster too, most system admin would search it up if they can't figure something out...

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    Can't really blame him to be honest. Its just not something I would think of doing. I probably would have thought to google it though. Iunno, the guy is a bit strange :nerd:
     
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    Also, isn't Alt + F4 a universal shutdown method for all Windows versions?
     
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    the fact that so many people have a problem with where the shut down button is...and the fact that people have to google how to shut down their own system, is definitely a failure of windows 8

    i know how to shut down windows 8 now, have for awhile, and i hate it, i hate it, and i hate it, it's so dumbly placed

    thank goodness there are start button aps

    in fact, it really shows how bad of a place the shut down option is when PC makers are deciding they need to put in a dedicated app for the shut down process...sadly one of the companies doing it, acer, have such a badly written app that the app takes a day and a half(sarcasm) just to show up lol

    Acer Adds Power Button to Windows 8
     
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    Right, and the fact that people also had to learn how to shutdown from the Start button back then without Google also signified that first version of Windows with the Start button a failure.

    If you can't tolerate an alternative way of doing something even though it takes the same amount of steps, if not less, and still has the same shortcut as the many versions before it (Alt+F4), God forbid you driving a rental in a country with an opposed steering wheel placement.
     
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    if by same, and possibly less, you mean more....

    aswell as the shut down button at least then, in the original implementation to it, was logical

    and your logic isn't logical

    for one, one a program first releases, it's obvious people won't know how to do everything, and if there are similar programs currently out there, the smart thing to do is to make whatever that functionality is, to be vaguely familiar

    You don't go "hey, you remember that thing that people use every day? essential to the operation of the program? That people have been using for 10+ years in the same, basic spot? Lets change it, put it in an unrelated place to where it use to be, and lets make it not obvious where we put it"

    If they flipped around the pedals, so right pedal is stop and left is go, or make it so turning the wheel right goes left and left goes right, or the blinker up means left and down means right, etc., then your analogy would make sense, but since they don't, your analogy is irrelevant, because they didn't just flip the OS around, which people would still be upset about, but at least would know how to work it still, they instead changed how you use the OS, and what was once right, is now left, essentially

    in fact, a better analogy would be if they decided to take where you typically would put the key to start your car (on the steering column or near it) and decided to, instead, put the key hole down where your feet is, inside the fuse box that is typically there, and on the furthest side of the fuse box where you can't see it from any angle. That's the windows 8 shut down process for a car (well, start processes, but you get my point)
     
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    They didn't have to but they know.
     
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    Same, I decided to give Linux a whirl over a month ago, and have barley touched Windows since then. Although I haven't gamed much in the last couple years so it was easier for me to not have to use Windows.
     
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    Honestly why does the OS even need a shut down button? I haven't turned my machine off in ages. Case power button once = sleep, hold it = shut down. Remove the button in Windows completely. Any admin worth their weight knows how to shut it down via command anyway.

    The only thing Microsoft knows is that in order to stay competitive they need to go mobile. In order to effectively be competitive in mobile they need to leverage their large Windows user base, so they created Windows 8. It didn't fail at anything, it's selling on par with what Windows 7 has. There are a few issues and things that could have been done better and it's being corrected in 8.1.

    So no, they didn't fail, they don't think they failed, they think they could have launched a better product, which is true.
     
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    If they are trying to get everyone to buy tablets, and smartphones, I'm not going to move beyond 7, I am instead going to slowly migrate over to Linux, and eventually leave Windows altogether. The only thing keeping me from wiping it from my desktop completely is gaming, but at the moment, almoast no games made in the last year have interested me. There are a couple on the horizon though that I look forward to, and they may end up on Linux as well since there indie titles.
     
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  20. Neo Cyrus

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    What? Every report everywhere points to it selling even less than Vista did, including earlier links that were in this thread weren't they... The only reason they even have the sales which they do is because new laptops and desktops come with it. People don't get Win 8 by choice. Especially not the average consumer.

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    Windows 8 is a failure financially, and to most users.
     

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