Microsoft Game Pass subscription for PC rises from 4 to 10 euros per month

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  1. Khronikos

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    Nothing you said makes a lick of logical sense. You are literally moving goalposts to portray Steam as a sub service. It is not. THE END.
     
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    Valve says it is in the title of their EULA.

    Saying THE END doesn't mean you've closed an argument, nor that your opinion has any weight on actual reality.
     
  3. Khronikos

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    Holy crap, let me spell it out for you: Steam does not require a monthly service fee like a normal subscription model that would lock your purchases behind their always online service. THANKS for playing.

    This was the argument I have been portraying the entire time. Steam is not a subscription model in any classic sense whatsoever. A subscription in this argument means you are paying money on a monthly basis to keep something in your power. Without that sub fee, you don't have ANY access whatsoever.

    Obviously, you dipshits know exactly what I am talking about and would rather stan for a procreating corporate slut like Microsoft.

    Your argument is dead dude. DEAD.

    Game Pass: You pay a monthly fee to access your games.

    Steam: You don't pay a monthly fee to access your games.

    Now shut the frack up, or please direct me to the place where it says Valve has a monthly fee you need to pay and you cannot access your games offline.

    Until then you are just another fanboy with bad logic.
     
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    And this is why I don't do subscriptions , people need to open the eyes .
     
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    This is literally how Steam works. Once they are down, you can never reinstall or move anything, it's over. Your only "grace" period is until you need to restart your computer.

    Steam is a subscription model. You subscribe to having access to the games you have given them money to allow you to access. The fee is one-off per title, instead of per month, but it is still a subscription. That is why Valve's lawyers call their service a subscription service.

    Yeah man, Valve's lawyers don't know either. I guess we and them are all dipshits. Thank you for opening our eyes.

    Talking about dipshits:
    https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/
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    You pay a monthly fee to access all games in the subscription service.

    You pay a one time fee to access the games you have selected from the catalogue.

    Man, being an idiot is not a choice, unfortunately. You asked me to direct you to the place where Valve says that Steam is a subscription service, I have done this more than twice. If Valve themselves cannot convince you, you have an issue.
    Like the issue where you cannot see that there are various ways you can have a subscription service. You still don't own crap. Microsoft chose the smaller catalogue/montly fee, Valve chose the immense catalogue/pay per item. They are still subscription services. The Microsoft service requires a montly payment, the Valve one a per item. You still don't own anything.
     
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  7. Khronikos

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    Hello, this is not meant as an argument. I don't personally care about being called names, and this post is not meant as an incitement either. It's just the actual information about the two services.

    We know the information around these services has been stated truthfully and cannot be argued against because it is just information about the services per their own models.

    Subscription models:

    Steam:

    You pay for a game and you can access this game through Steam. You can't take it with you outside of Steam. But if you are offline you can still play the game to the best of our knowledge right now. Indefinitely. That doesn't mean it will always be that way, but that is the way they have worded offline play, and that is how it currently works. There is no monthly fee, and you don't have to be online to access your content. You can also mod your games at will.

    Game Pass: You pay a monthly fee to access your content. If you are offline, you cannot access this content. If you do not pay this same monthly fee again the next month, you cannot access your content, and you cannot mod your content. In effect, you don't own anything in any classical sense. You are paying a fee to access digital content in the most restricted way possible. It's under your name, so it's not like you are giving a machine quarters and the content is not in your home to access--as long as you are online that is--but the differences in freedom and access are quite clear.

    This logically, objectively, and truthfully spells out the subscription models, and one of them does not allow you to access your games when you go offline. One of them does, as long as you have downloaded the game. Some services might allow you to access offline data as long as you are subscribed.

    The benefits are clear: one service allows you much less freedom with the content you have purchased. Another service allows you a lot of content, but with a monthly upkeep fee that is continuously imposed.

    The differences are very clear: you own absolutely nothing with one service unless you pay a monthly fee. With the other you own the right to play the content you bought offline and with no recurring fee, hence you do not have to keep paying indefinitely for something.

    Whether you own these things is an argument many people could hash out in different ways. I choose to look at it in the way that says paying a monthly fee means you own nothing, because the fee is continuous. In the case of Steam, I feel that I own the right to play the game whenever and wherever I want without a continuous fee, which closer resembles the classical sense of owning a product you paid for without restrictions.

    That's all. I have no need to argue anything about any of this. We have made it quite clear here that no logic can bridge these two services.
     
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    It's good there are choices for people. People who do not care about not owning games, but want to play them - and people who do want to own games and play them.

    I mean, that's surely the point is it not?

    I own gym equipment so I can work out at home, but lots of people just do not have the money to own gym equipment, so they pay a monthly fee to go to the gym and work out.

    Some people just do not have the money to buy games, and, increasing the purchase price of a game to $70 is in fact an incentive to get people to pay for subscription services.

    I am truly surprised no one has figured that out yet.
     
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    And it must also be said that the structure of these systems is not meant to benefit the consumer. These paradigms of streaming services are meant to hook you up to the corporation on a constant basis where you are continuously paying them for things you do not own in any classical sense. It's meant to basically take away your power of individual freedom. That's just what these subscription services are. If Steam is a 40/100 for deviancy, then Game Pass is an 85/100. In the end you own nothing and must keep paying.
     
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    Just in case anyone who already has GPU does not know, you can buy a year of EA access from the MS store for £19.99 and next month when EA access becomes part of GPU your remaining time will be converted and added to your remaining GPU sub, so you get 4 more months of GPU, so that works out a 4 month of GPU for £5 a month, more than half price for a month the normal way.......so just a heads up, i grabbed it and it takes my GPU sub up until 2023. :)
     

  11. Trying out Stadia Pro... may look into this too
     
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    10€ is nothing. I pay more for spotify. I pay more for Netflix. And well that is the things I pay for. I used to pay 15€ a month to play WoW...

    This gives awesome value compared to many many things. Sure you cannot "own" unless you buy games from their store ofc when it works just like steam. Even then "owning" is a bit nani if the company goes under.
     
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    They also hope that for many subs they will pay for the service and then forget about it. Essentially continue paying the $10 a month for a service they barely if ever use. It's a careful balancing act between asking the customer for a monthly sub that is high enough so that they can offset the individuals who will rip the total p*ss out of the service but isn't so high that the folk who never use it look at their monthly out goings and think I am paying how much for this?

    Of course I still think the only reason the service is $10 just now is to build their user base and get enough people locked in before they then do a more significant price hike at some point next year.
     
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    Well now that these new next gen games are going to cost £60/£70 a pop that GP starts to look real good value for money, and with the addition of everything Zenimax and EA access added to it, plus along with all that you still get all your xbox live gold benefits, and as i keep pointing out MS rewards can easily half the price of that monthly sub down to £6 a month just by playing games and doing a daily bing search.......i mean MS are quite literally paying you to be on their ecosystem, look at my account, i have 32.000 points at the monent, so i could use 6800 of those points to claim £5, which i can then use toward that monthly GPU sub, meaning i am only paying £5.99 a month for GPU, now making a year of GPU the same cost as one next gen game. ha
     

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    Oh for sure. They will raise the service as much as their userbase allows, and what I have found with the Xbox userbase is that their core doesn't care about much they are abused.
     
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    70 a pop and then gigantic sales afterward lol. You guys really need to stop with the 70 a pop thing. The majority does not pay this price except if the game is literally a top game of the generation, and even then only in the short term. No game's majority sales long term are going to be for 70. Hell, we don't even know if 70 will work out as they want it to. It's untested territory, and they will respond to it.

    These games are heavily discounted. I usually pay like 20 bucks a piece for games I will actually play. I have like 200 games in backlog on Steam. At some point nobody cares they have 100 games in a digital service to play. Very few people have the time.

    And at some point Microsoft will have to look at profits. No other way around it. They like to bullshit a lot at the start of gens, and when that doesn't work out it turns more toward profits. Sony does this too. Just look how fast they canned Evolution Studios. frack. I still am pissed about that. But these companies at some point start to really want their profit, and when that happens it's not mister nice guy anymore.

    Luckily, they just spent a ton on studios, so they don't have to worry about good studios like Arkane producing good games, but they do have to worry about sale; a lot of those studios are still going to be asked to produce very high-quality work that sells. If it doesn't sell, then you can expect price hikes in every area of their service.
     
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    Yep. You pay for the license to play games. You own f*ck alll.

    Edit: just buy an Xbox Series and pay monthly for 2 years. You get a console and all the games. Done. Khronikos, you fail to understand the basics and seem to get angry after missing the point altogether.
     
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    An interesting point.

    Do you think these companies, like devs, publishers etc,....do you think....they perceive games as something that is consumed; in that, we take a bite, swallow, and then have to pay for another cookie?
     
  20. Pretty surprised I never did this before. I'm trying out PS4 Remote Play for the first time. It works as good as Stadia, not exaggerating. I'm on a 5G mobile hotspot it's very playable, very enjoyable. Granted the appeal with games as a service is to take it anywhere on any device. Admittedly there are less diverse options and controllers available & with this; the graphical "detail" is slightly less as it doesn't reflect a high-performance PC on services by Google, MS, and or Nvidia. Still - using your device as a host with something like remote play isn't that bad! Parsec makes a similar tool geared for the PC. I'm playing Witcher 3 PS4 atm - only "drawbacks", limited to 1080p but still - you can do 1080p @ 60 fps max. That's not bad at the cost of your games, ISP fees, and initial console hardware.

    I think for new gamers these games as a service model would be well suited. Those of us that have purchased so many titles already, it is a bit jarring to hear or see "oh really you want me to pay for this twice?!" They really should have negotiated better contracts with their partners to ease transitions for customers which could have resolved transitioning cloud saves, etc - imagine how awesome that could have been with certain options intact I think it's all possible at a point and time but for now as opposed to say listen we'll offer higher percentages out of the cost we make off of subscribers we have a lot of shortsightedness and greed that affected policy else we'd have had some pretty smart and savvy unique games as a services models as opposed to 4 to 5 ones that are essentially clones of each other, just sayin'
     
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