Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Nov 23, 2018.
Windows as a disservice™
you guys are full of chit, without Microsoft where do you think PC computing would be and don't say better off because that is just stupid
I can confirm there was something wrong with the version of 1809 that was available via media creation tool earlier this week. On my workstation (Msi X399 Creation board), 1803 and 17xx installed fine but a clean install of 1809 caused a BSOD on first boot, possibly because of intel network drivers (per info on the Msi forums). Sounds like the common issue here is intel drivers and 1809...
That's the problem, they have the monopoly and they know it, if there was competition they would step up their game
You know, being an extremist on either side is bad. THIS particular issue I see as a GOOD thing. The OS SHOULD block installs if there is a INCOMPATIBILITY. That some are framing this as a FLAW to attack MS seems rather silly. There are of course problems which I have complained loudly about so I'm not some blind fan boy. Neither am I some hater that takes EVERY issue and frames it as compete and utter failure by MS. It's counter productive.
Do you mean w/o Gates appropriating work of someone other? There would probably be few other companies making commercial OSes.
UNIX OSes would do just fine. Linux would probably be mainstream gaming OS 10 years ago or longer. Users would be more skilled as result.
People would have no need to discus and speculate about invasion of privacy as that's under control on linux.
And so on...
Honestly I wouldn't be so quick to make that judgment.
It would have been quite interesting to see what the home computing landscape would look like today in other scenarios, like
What if OS/2 had really taken off and displaced Windows?
What if Apple had been an actual competitor and companies like Commodore and Atari had still been around to offer competing solutions today?
I'm not saying we would necessarily be better off but it's certainly not unthinkable, as the lack of real competition for home computing platforms is unlikely to have done much good in the long run. As computer enthusiasts we're quick to lament the results of lackluster competition in the hardware space (Re: Intel/Nvidia vs. AMD for recent examples) and just because we have had any real competition in the OS space since the early 90s doesn't mean the same reasoning doesn't apply there.
Heck, AmigaOS 3.1 is by far the best OS I've used and I'd rate its 25 year old incarnation way higher than I would any "modern" OS.
You believe this single 3rd party driver is the real cause for yet another shutdown of the rollout?
Naive my friend, and tbh you are fairly Pro-MS, you jump in most times anyone says something bad about them
I now told everyone i know to block feature updates from windows, this rediculous
I will not take any side to this.
But anyone with basic knowledge of informatics and computers can safely assume the nearest a code or a complete program to human is, the less responsibility for any serious incompatibilities has.
The one to blame is not clear here. Programming wise is driver's fault as it loads before the ability for human to communicate with the os. On the other hand the os maintainers and developers should have blocked any destructive installation and hardware usage or pull back the distribution of either os version or driver from windows updates.
Microsoft has only a third of responsibility. The other thirds are equally distributed to both user and device manufacturer.
I hate that everyone says customer or user is always right. It is BS. No one could ever be cautious enough.
I wouldn't fault the user much here ... who rushes to update the intel graphics drivers? WU also takes care of old drivers by force so there's not much room left for that crowd. I'd blame the manufacturer if windows 7, 8.1 and older versions of 10 were affected and that doesn't seem to be the case. But anyway, meh 2017 and 18 versions have been a bad joke so far.
Lot people would, sadly as proven other people would know better, it was probably another "issue" the deletes things haha
With their track record lately, nothing would surprise me
It's all just heresay, they say it is one thing, people will believe whatever suits their views, myself included, but my views are born from MS recent/not so recent history of fairly serious issues that affect a lot of people negatively and their attitude towards it
No Intel display here so no issues.
This case is the Intel crapware.. ehm Intel driver team fault. And that's not the first time. Intel driver quality sucks, just little example: last Ethernet driver lost dedicated driver settings in the device manager (eg: low latency interrupt settings are missing).
sounds like an Intel problem not a m$ problem.
This is definitely on Intel because it is their job to test their drivers to make sure they work properly. It seems like Intel failed to do Quality Assurance with this.
I was going to say then you get a grey screen, but yes, you might get coffee first. Bad Tim Horton's/dirt flavoured coffee.
Here's a fact: MS force updates now, so yes, it is their fault.
If this is an Intel problem why the same problem is not appearing on older Windows 10 and previous Windows versions ?? If its an Intel problem then its Intel who needs to withdraw their drivers not Microsoft their Windows