Discussion in 'Processors and motherboards Intel' started by mbk1969, Jan 22, 2018.
I still think INTEL and AMD and all the CPU make should REQUIRE all OS manufacturers to PUSH the update all microcodes needs to patch all this.
relaying on people to manual do said update is a disaster waiting to happen, and at that point cpu maker will blame OS makers and OS maker will blame CPU makers.
All the cpu maker can do update codes and push them vender and hope customers willl do require updates, which isnt gona happen for majority people.
Agree, but I think most if not all manufacturers will release bios updates..
So these microcode numbers are new from Jan 2018?
By Haswell I see: 23 >>> 0x22
Haswell perf: 18 >>> 0x17
But isn't this 0x17 old November release, very buggy on Haswell? Or maybe those that updated used wrong 0x17 on z87/z97 instead of 0x22..
Most people are not gonna do a bios update most people are unaware of this to being, and even if diddo you really think majortiy people will do bios update? which is my point, current system is relying on public to be able to manaul do all this, Majority public dont know how or will even do this.
CPU makers and OS makers know exactly what needed and have means to push what is need to EVERYONE to protect them.
at moment only techy people know about it and will actual do what needed. you cant make sercurity update that need to be done, and expect everyone to be able to do manual updates or even know how to. especial when it can all be fix via OS update so long they willing to do what is needed.
Beautiful, just updated 4930k to 42a microcode and now should revert??
Not having the random reboot issue, but is it still an effective patch for the vulnerabilities?
i.e Spectre and Meltdown?
Since we have no troubles with updated microcode we can stay at 42A. If problems will arise we will know what to do.
Exactly my thoughts! Even if Intel and others deliver all the patches that really fix this problem, 90% of computer users won´t update them because they don´t know how to do it and they aren´t going to pay some tech guy to fix a flaw that they can´t feel directly or know nothing about...
This is going to be a goldmine for some hackers...
Even worse, MOBO makers will not bother to release microcode updates for older boards. So, unless microsoft deliver the updated microcode trough WU which is possible because there's a 2015 update, a lot of users will be screwed.
So they have to modify old microcode, but in doing so, support for mitigations against Spectre Variant #2, will have to be postponed.
Once they get it right is all I'm concerned with.
I contacted Asus regarding my 3 Z97 boards here is the response
Dear valued customer,
Regarding your below request, unfortunately, as of yet, we do not have any official information about the availability of an updated BIOS version to fix the spectre and meltdown issues.
Please check the Asus website periodically for updates.
Asus Customer Service
Asus Technical Support Site: http://support.asus.com
I have an Intel i7-4770K (Haswell) CPU from June 2013 which has served me well and I have no plans to upgrade any time soon as I simply do not need to. I use my PC primarily for games and everything runs fantastic on max settings (bar supersampling which is an unnecessary luxury anyway IMO) as long as I continue to buy high end GPUs such as the GTX 1080 Ti which I currently own.
My own concern is with the Spectre flaw as my CPU and motherboard are deemed old now and I see no sign that ASUS will issue a new BIOS update for my Z87 Deluxe motherboard (the last BIOS was dated September 2014, I believe).
So what do I do to protect my PC from this flaw? Upgrading at this point seems pointless, not least because the available CPUs still have the flaw and require "patching" still and mostly because that is what Intel will be hoping people will do as it means more money in their pockets! I want to hold off upgrading for as long as possible for other reasons as well - such as avoiding having to redownload//reinstall software and games again.
Are ASUS obliged to issue new BIOS updates for affected Intel CPUs? If so when? The longer they leave the more likely it is that hackers will exploit the weakness.
Obliged, probably not. But they said they want to roll out the updates until the end of January. It's the 1st of February, and I haven't even seen an update for my Asus Rampage 5 Extreme's BIOS, be it stable / working or not.
I guess they are crippled by Intels crappy microcode anyway, but this is the flagship board of it's generation in Asus' own product line, and they haven't even announced an update for it (just for the useless RGB everywhere version and one cheaper X99 board, the latest two to join the product cycle, iirc).
If there is updated microcode for your CPU then you can use 3rd party tools to incorporate it into BIOS file and flash it.
Yeah I know (you made a thread about it) only that there yet is no stable fix for Haswell(-E) microcode afaik, or am I wrong?
I wouldn't expect microcode /biosipdates anytime soon, intel screwed up the first microcode patch and on top of that , people became aware of how janky the "workaround" is , have a feeling hp and other oems are very pissed off at how this has been handled. intel was supposed to release preliminary fixed microcode last week, that did not happen afaik. my guess is that we wont see anything until mid february at the very earliest
I was talking to Darren Hodgson. Just forgot to add "@___" ...
Ah, I must have ninja'd in there.
Just wait Darren and don't worry about it. Check Google's "Retpoline". I have also i7-4770k and Asus Z87-Deluxe. And i tested edited Bios with UBU (microcode 23) . It wasn't stable, and i am not overclocking at all. I reverted everything back after 2 days of testing. Use only google chrome for now (latest version Version 64.0.3282.119), also it is a good idea using MVPS HOSTS for extra protection (also SpywareBlaster. Just google them). Chrome plugins > uMatrix, uBlock.
Asus won't give us updated bios. https://www.asus.com/News/V5urzYAT6myCC1o2 Retpoline is the only good solution for us all and we need to wait for it. Also check askwoody website for latest KB issues.
Im also at Z87-Deluxe.
So it looks like they're waiting for Intel to fix this mess atm, not big deal though, us normal users are the last thing on someones mind.
Corporations/politics/financial sites is the first thing for sure.. If they're actually able to make such a hack in first place..
To me it looks like a scifi story then reality, otherwise intel wouldn't keep quiet about this glitch for so long. Well someone would have exploited this years ago e.g. Nehalem or SandyBridge, but nothing just now out of blue - boom all PC's on earth are at risk.
Yeah... they said in 6 months they'd have everything ready. Then they said at the end of January. I'm just waiting on the two things:
"Will be released at the end of February"
"Skynet rises to power by it's Meltdown/Spectre exploits"