Low 2D performance on Classic theme Windows 7

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  1. radeongamer

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    Demonstration of low 2D performance on the classic theme Windows 7. Program 2DTest draws a grid of lines of black, red and blue colors (sequentially) and calculates the draws time.

    This problem is present on the Radeon R7 360 2G (2016 release) with driver from Catalyst v15.7.1 to Crimson v18.4.1 (any versions).

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    2D Test
    Downloads (2DTest32.exe + source code)
    https://github.com/JMKh3r/2DTest/releases/tag/1.1.0.0

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    Results:

    "Windows AERO Theme"
    5..8 msec - good performance

    "Windows Basic Theme" or "Windows Classic Theme"
    130..170 msec - bad performance. Very low performance!

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    VIDEO this bug - "bandicam 2018-05-09 13-28-33-165.avi" (48 Mb):

    http://my-files.ru/e6my9x
    or
    http://files.dp.ua/file?source=18050914003256042469
    or
    https://ru.files.fm/u/q2fepmry

    P.S.: In addition, on the old graphic card HD4670 (2009 release) + Catalyst v13.9 there is no problem.

    How to fix 2D performance on the Classic theme Windows 7 ??
     
  2. S3r1ous

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    aero is hardware accelerated and starting with win8 mostly everything else(ui) became too
     
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    In the classic theme Windows 7, 2D acceleration there are no problems:
    - with any discrete Nvidia graphics card
    - with any integrated Intel graphics
    - with old AMD cards, for example HD4670 + Catalyst v 13.9

    Low 2D performance is available on new AMD video cards only. For example, the old HD4670 (2008 release) in the 2D mode has 10 times higher performance than the R7 360 (2016 release). Absurd!!!
     
  4. Agent-A01

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    Don't disable desktop composition then; there's really no point in it.
     

  5. radeongamer

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    I don’t like all the new colors and the shiny new Windows AERO.
    I like to use the classic Windows 7 design.
    With graphic cards other manufacturers (NVidia, Intel) - no problems. This problem with AMD only!
    AMD graphic cards do not have full support for Windows 7 ?
     
  6. LocoDiceGR

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    Sigh...
     
  7. iakoboss7

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    dont sigh, he is right, there shouldnt be problems like these.
     
  8. user1

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    I remember this issue, my best guess is that when using classic it disables compositing and as a result the desktop is nolonger vsynced, causing some additional overhead since its drawing the desktop >60fps.

    if you disable all of the visual effects and leave compositing on you get the vsynced desktop ,without the addintional gpu usage from aero transparency ect.

    really minor regardless
     
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    compositing ON = Not suitable. This disables the classic design! I like to use the CLASSIC Windows 7 design.

    This problem is present RADEON drivers newer v13.9 only. Catalyst v13.9 + old graphic card HD4670 - no problems.
    Intel and NVidia drivers have no problems with the performance of 2D on the CLASSIC theme of Windows 7.
     
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    https://saarineames.deviantart.com/art/Classic-AE-2-5-3-Final-343638171
     

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  12. LocoDiceGR

    LocoDiceGR Maha Guru

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    No, you are correct, he is just here to blame the drivers.

    Trump is bad president -> Blame Radeon Drivers.
    My Football team lost -> Blame Radeon Drivers.
     
  13. user1

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    imho you can't expect things that are updated continuously to maintain perfect support for deprecated features,
    , you should really be sending a bug report to amd if its still present on the latest crimson, rather than complaining here about it.
     
  14. radeongamer

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    You are absolutely right!

    I'm discussing the problem in the AMD Radeon drivers.
    Intel and Nvidia do not have this problem!!!
     
  15. TheDukeSD

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    The Catalyst 13.9 for legacy hardware (hd4670 is legacy) is not the same branch as the one for GCN.
    13.9 for legacy (hd4xxx and older) is an older driver branch from 2012 and even in 2012 it hardly saw anything done for it. For hd 4xxx and older I would avoid any catalyst 12.x or 13.x unless there is no other way (performance is just bad...). :p

    And regarding GCN drivers every single driver before 13.2 beta is affected by texture corruption in directx 9 games (the point here is that you don't want drivers before the 13.2 beta for GCN).

    Just wanted to point out that you are not comparing the same driver branch and anyway TeraScale and GCN use other paths in the drivers (even with the same driver version u will have some bugs in one but not in the other one).

    Regarding your problem you can report it to AMD but when win 7 has under 2 years left of support ( extended supports ends January 14, 2020 based on https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet ) don't make many hopes about a fix.
     
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  16. radeongamer

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    It's not normal when the 2009 video card works in 2D a more productive, way than the 2016 release video card.
    It's buulshit!!!

    Videos demonstrations of this bug:

    1) 2D performance Test2D (AERO and non-AERO theme)
    bandicam 2018-05-09 13-28-33-165.avi - http://my-files.ru/e6my9x

    2) Compare performance on real programs foobar2000, P-CAD (AERO with Classic theme)
    MOV03735.mkv - http://files.d-lan.dp.ua/download?file=787bd8c65445d4f22dc2bd8494496178

    3) foobar2000 + 2DTest and "effect" of performance improvement when changing the window
    MOV03747.mkv - http://ge.tt/5kosnlp2

    4) More successful demonstration of this "effect", when the window is changed vertically + showing the old PowerColor HD4670 1G card (for the information that on the old graphic card there was no problem)
    MOV03748.mkv - http://ge.tt/7eRJolp2
     
  17. LocoDiceGR

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    Its time to move on from 2009 and go 2018 (Windows 10).
     
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    hmm...guys, it looks like some strange obsession. Spamming all over internet about this bug, with demand to download and watch his test vids...it looks little weird to me, thats all :cool:
     
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    AMD technical support is "0". Any request translated into private and forgotten... To make AMD fix this problem - to attract the public.

    Or maybe AMD does not support Windows 7 in its drivers?
     
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