Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, May 16, 2019.
The wait is getting bothersome -.-
I still hope for a July CPU release though.
AMD has already said that Radeon VII would be the top of the line for 2019, so I don´t know why some people continue to delude themselves.
Feed these illusions, only serves to disappoint in the future!
July is bad for overclocking in EU, so they are delaying it to late september
Indeed. Intel's response to all this on the desktop front says it all, as in, they're doing absolutely nothing.
Q3 for Ryzen, me no like. No idea why I had expectations that it could arrive by the end of Q2 right after Computex...
You have a point there
You're not alone...
some people hear "new" and use it as a placeholder for their wishes.
Navi is, was, and will be a mid-range card with mainstream cut-down cards.
don't get it twisted, i'm a big fan of Ms. Su. this is not a slam at AMD or Nvidia, it is what is.
i bought a radeon VII (which i love) to replace my 1080ti for a period of 18 months to two years, until the full iteration of the "chiplet" design, "Arcturus" is on the market.
that said, when they have a full Navi/Ryzen laptop, i'll buy it.
That's all, you got there? AMD always puts "Next Gen"/"Next-Gen" to products for which they do not have fitting code name. Please understand that NextGen != Next uArch. Generation is not specific in anything. It is very generic.
Then those 4 mentioned things are not time schedule, but approach and it applies globally. Not to certain time frame or GPU generation.
As for Linux thing, it does not confirm anything else than Navi being mostly driver compatible with GCN which has been stated in one of videos long time before someone found America again on Phoronix.
And to fill you in. 7nm is far from early since Radeon 7 been made for quite some while and has 13B transistors. Phone chips available have more transistors than RX-580. IIRC Apple is having made 10B+ chips. 7nm is doing well in yields as mentioned few times before.
So, do you actually have something that's not misinterpretation of source material?
I currently have no reason to upgrade my 1500X, and that will probably remain the case until the next-gen consoles are released. But, I am still very interested in Zen2's performance. The die shrink, increased clock speeds, higher core/thread count, better RAM support, and Intel's security mitigations leads me to believe Zen2 will be the first truly all-around better CPU for the first time in over a decade.
All that being said, I'm mostly interested in Navi. All I want is something that can play 4K@60FPS with AA off for a reasonable price.
Been waiting for something to replace my GTX1080 but NVIDIA is too expensive, and from what i've been reading even top Navi isn't that good either, sigh.
Guess i'll have to wait for Intel GPUs so that NVIDIA starts putting fair prices and better hardware (7nm RTX hopefully).
It can easily be an all-new architecture and be GCN at the same time...just like the fact that a Ryzen 2700 and an Intel 8088 are both considered "x86" because of backwards compatibility even though the designs are totally unlike each other. We'll see...but you have to also realize this is an "investor" press release...not a consumer spec-sheet.
OTOH, it was always obvious to me that RVII was a pro-sumer product (16GBs ram) and that another line of gaming GPUs was slated for release in 2H. Lisa Su practically said exactly that to the "pundits" on the RVII release Interviews she did--but as usual many of them didn't catch it. I'll be surprised if AMD doesn't skewer nVidia again in the volume discreet GPU markets as for some reason nVidia simply isn't competitive in the < ~$300 discrete GPU volume markets. Navi will probably be 8GBs for the gaming market--but I really couldn't say.
Yes, If the 1 SMT thread capability isn't enough to keep the core going at 100%, then more than one might be needed. But since AMD has little trouble implementing lots of cores, there doesn't seem to be any room for a second SMT thread per core.
"Top Navi" hasn't been shipped, so you might want to avoid reading 100% speculation on unreleased products... Such "information" isn't accurate or reliable, as a rule.
Have you seen this?
Yes, they are rumours, but the top 2 models will have Radeon VII and Radeon VII +10% performance. The latter means it will be on par with/maybe a tiny bit faster than the RTX2080 and cost $300 less. We will see what we get, but if it's significantly cheaper than its NV counterpart (meaning any performance tiers) is, its a win-win situation. At the moment, we don't need faster GPUs, we need CHEAPER GPUs. $330 for an RTX2070 performance card? Bixxx please, give me that.
Don't worry, there was no problem with stock quantities of the 2 Zen CPUs. The GPUs were a different tale though.
Yes that is obvious, however looking at the Radeon VII it fueled my idea that sadly i can't expect much from AMD in terms of GPU, RTX2080 Ti performance for 800€ is what i'd want and if AMD did something similar at that price even if NV adjusts the prices, i'd go for the AMD option as i like to change from time to time.
I loved the GTX970 and the GTX1080 is also good, but since i went Ultrawide the GTX1080 became a mid range GPU, the 1080Ti is pretty good for Ultrawide tho.
U completely missed my point. Sorry that i couldnt make myself clear. When i was talking about Navi, i was refering to the q3 2019 lunch of gpus from AMD. Talking about 2020 gpus even as a rumor seems too far fetched to me.
Yeah, regarding price/performance , that's what i am saying. Navi doesnt need to get rtx 2080 level of performance to be a success.
Even the recent rumors regarding power consumption are not worrying me much. If the die is small enough compared to nividia counterparts and price is reasonably adjusted, it will be a win-win situation for both, us and amd.
Don't forget the VII is a recycled server card
there still maybe something that can perform just as well for a lesser price that doesn't have 16GBs of hbm2
I thought Ryzen3 would be end of May/first week of June. Sad.
Interesting, are they saying that there will be a new R7 based on Navi?
My internal gin is confused ...
No doubt. If it can achieve that i'll hop on the train next fall.