LG OLED TVs To Receive NVIDIA G-SYNC Upgrade Starting This Week

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  1. Kaarme

    Kaarme Ancient Guru

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    VESA Adaptive Sync is nothing but ink on paper. For all intents and purposes Freesync = VESA Adaptive Sync (and now = G-Sync Compatible). There were no other widespread products than AMD Freesync ones. G-Sync is unrelated, it's Mr. Leather Jacket's cash cow. I have nothing against Nvidia starting to accept the reality and allowing Adaptive Sync compatibility, but I do say it's dodgy to try to couple it with the G-Sync name, which is an entirely different, closed technology controlled by Nvidia alone and nobody else, whereas Freesync is very close to VESA Adaptive Sync, so close that now many Freesync screens are also mysteriously G-Sync Compatible. Don't you think it's pretty strange "G-Sync Compatible" and "G-Sync" have got nothing to do with each other?

    That being said, I understand why Nvidia did it. I reckon they didn't see much choice from a marketing point of view. Everybody knows what G-Sync does and what it means for gamers, so it would have been a huge nuisance for the Nvidia marketing department to do anything else.
     
  2. Denial

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    This isn't really true - for example this TV supports VRR through VESA on HDM2.1 - Xbox One X has it enabled but it currently does not work on AMD graphics cards. Supposedly it's getting updated to support Freesync in the future but if you hook a 5700 to this TV you don't get the benefit of VRR at all. Also the two technologies (Gsync & Freesync) kind of do have things to do with one another. Both of them work by using the VBLANK to refresh the screen in sync with the framerate - it's just that Nvidia controls it on the scalar side as opposed to the GPU. Gsync on laptops never had a Sync module ever, even prior to G-Sync compatible.

    Tbh the fact that so many people are confused in this thread about what's supported and what's not supported is the exact reason for branding like Gsync. With GSync I know if it says "Gsync" on it it's compatible with my GPU - I know it supports VRR, I know the general sync range on the monitor, I know that LFC is supported, etc. With Freesync/Adaptive Sync/HDMI VRR it's like a toss up at what features are supported, if your card work, etc.
     
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  3. vbetts

    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    Number one, the attitude is not needed towards anyone. This is for everyone posting.

    And number two, since when is adding more features at no real added cost a bad thing? This obviously is not aimed towards consoles consider it's Nvidia Gsync, so it's aimed at people who want to take advantage of Gsync. Who is the audience for that? Probably going to be people that have a Gsync capable computer. It's another option for display, simple as that.
     
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    As far as I know, Gsync has been enabled since the last firmware update. I've been using it for a week now and it works great.
    the range in 4k is 40-60fps.
     
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  5. Kaarme

    Kaarme Ancient Guru

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    Ooh. Then I for sure stand corrected. It never visited my mind a device using an AMD GPU would be using a non-Freesync compatible adaptive sync. I really should have expected as much from Microsoft, though.
     
  6. FranciscoCL

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    Which GPU?
    I'm holding my TV buy until VRR is a sure thing (currently using a UHD 2014 TV, no HDR). If this thing works with my 1080ti (even with that 40-60 range) is good news for me and maybe I just buy one now.
     
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    Virtually everyone i know that runs a 20xx card, wouldnt mind playing on a larger screen than their moni, including me.
    Ever checked how much monis above 43in cost? Right.
    I rather spend same/less/more on a tv that will have a tuner build in, a remote so i can change settings without being 1ft away, and games like racing/flying will be much more fun than on some 43in moni for +1K.
    But yeah, completely useless.. Lol

    @Kaarme
    Not looking to rationale Nvs way of doing this, but one means it will work 100% guaranteed, as Nv tested the "certified" screens, the others "can or can not" work.
    Like sli for +2 cards, still possible, but no support from Nv if it doesnt..
     
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  8. 13thCaesar

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    Bugger.. missed out by one number.
    I got a 2019 C8 65" LG OLED...
     
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    I'm using a 2080ti
     
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    You know, it's pretty sobering when you realise just how utterly insignificant the cost would be for certain companies to include in their anti-competitive practices, the purchasing of a 'loud and persistent presence' on any popular forum (tech sites, YouTube etc) with the primary intention, sadly, of disrupting the competition.
    With the comments and response patterns seen, there's no doubt, unfortunately, that this practice is extensive.
     

  11. MegaFalloutFan

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    Offers INSANE Value for me, I sent back my ASUS PG35VQ [2500USD] when i heard of this, i got used to my LG 55C6P OLED since 2016 been my exclusive PC monitor and I love it but wanted higher refresh and GSYNC so I got the 35inch ultrawidescreen, looked TINY by comparison and going back to cheap LCD made my eyes hurt, lack of black, LCD blur [even at 200HZ refres]
    There are tons of people gaming on OLED, 1400USD is VERY VERY cheap, considering that 35inch 21:9 HDR 1000NITS VA/FALD512 zones PG35VQ monitor costs 2500USD
    ALSO, LG OLED 2019 series is the ONLY TVs that have FULL HDMI 2.1 support and have NATIVE 4k/120hz panel, when HDMI 2.1 comes to PC all of it will be available, right now you can do 1440p/120hz
    HDMI 2.1 by design has VRR support, so all consoles already have "freesync" support without this update, this update introduces GSYNC support trough HDMI [always been trough DP ONLY]
    So now BOTH worlds can enjoy this feature, on console and on PC

    P.S.Whoever buys a new monitor without PROPER HDR in 2019 is IMO an idiot that has no idea what he misses, its HDR or nothing. But on non-OLED monitor sub 750NITS HDR is not really an HDR, just a marketing scam, it must be above 750niot and must support 10bit and wide-color gamut, otherwise its a waste of money
     
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    I do game in my living room often. I ran a HDMI cable thru the walls and i'm using a bluetooth media keyboard and DisplayFusion mobile app to control the PC from my living room. I play racing games almost exclusively in my living room with a controller. Same with old school pixel gfx games.

    This is G-Sync compatible though not G-Sync. It's basically Adaptive Sync tested to be compatible with nVidia drivers. nVidia drivers are kind of a hit and miss with Adaptive Sync so far. Kind of disappointed personally about the lack of progress with the support. Last time i checked My MSI Optix MAG27CQ and my Samsung QLED were both still not supported and enabled it doesn't work with all games so i just turn it off.
     
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    Perfect timing for my brand new LG C9 i just got !!! This IMO is going to effectively kill Nvidia's BFGD initiative. Those BFGD monitors are utter disappointment for the money they want, and the bugs that they have. The halo defects around bright images under dark background are just awful ! Sure, the BFGD has maybe 2-4 ms better response time + Nvidia shield and G-sync ULTIMATE rather than a regular G-sync, but this does not matter at all with the HDR capabilities and picture quality of these OLEDs. I personally have the smaller LG 27GL850-B 1 ms IPS monitor for game critical tasks and the C9 OLED as my secondary monitor for BEST ULTIMATE HDR gaming and content viewing. I am absolutely blown away by this combination and I think it is the way to go for 2x less money spent for ULTIMATE gaming experience !!!


    ps: The only thing left is for Nvidia to release the 3000 series video cards so that i can finally experience 4K 120hz resolution on the C9 from my PC through an HDMI 2.1... Currently nothing out there has the HDMI 2.1, and HDMI 2.0 is only limited to 4K 60hz or 1440p 120hz if you wanna game on the LG C9 at max refresh rates.

    ps: Here is a LINK for official Nvidia G-sync support list

    the LG C9 OLEDs are listed with 40-120Hz G -sync support
     
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  14. Astyanax

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    no it isn't.
     
  15. MegaFalloutFan

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    Nvidia GSYNC Compatible [or whatever the basic GSYNC called that doesn't have the actual GSYNC hardware, there are 3 levels of GSYNC] means that the product was actually Certified, tested in nvidia lab to work according to their parameters, that when you plug it in, install nvidia driver, everything will work, no bugs, no issues and all features that should be there were tested and found to be working.
    Thats it.
    Unlike AMD that only started to do with with FreeSync 2 monitors [and not all of them], Free Sync one was up to the monitor manufacturer, some had some features, others only otehr features, some had all features, some had tiny range range, others wider range.
    Nvidia has a list of Minimal features/parameters that have to work, including the range, it cant be some random 10-15mhz range like with some cheap freesync monitors, this TV has nice 40 to 120 range, i wish it would go at least 20 to 120 so 30hz games can be enjoyed too, but 40 to 120 is great for all PC games, keeping above 40 even with RTX is not an issue
     
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    40 - 120Hz means that Nvidia's equivalent to LFC would be enabled, so you can run games at 30FPS without frametime variance. However, running the TV at 60Hz, you would only get a 40 - 60Hz range which means that Nvidia's equivalent to LFC is not enabled. I expect that with CRU, perhaps the range could be brought down to 24 - 60Hz and that should fix it.
     
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    I don't think they're gonna stick "G-Sync" on the front of the box in the future. Just "Variable Refresh Rate". On the back on the box it might say "G-Sync compatible" as one of those bullet points.
     
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    Excellent news!
    One more reason not to buy any older LG OLED TV...
    Now if only they could increase the brightness in HDR, I want to be blinded :D
     
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    I have it up and running on my C9 65 via my EVGA RTX 2080 TI SC Black. 1440P looks good as well. For HDR games, COD MW is amazing especially when you consider that it's HDR as well.
     
  20. DerSchniffles

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    I use my home theater setup often for pc gaming and I would love to have VRR on my tv, too bad mine will not receive this update. Hopefully this ends up being a trend.
     

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