Kioxia Unveils 162-layer BiCS 6 NAND Memory and a Prototype PCIe 5.0 Solid State Drive up-to 30TB

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Reddoguk Ancient Guru

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    I knew my brand new comp would be out of date in a year or two but never thought the SSD would suffer the same fate. PCIe5 - 14GB/s and upto 30 TBs sound like M.2 ssd's are about to move on.
     
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    these are likely multiple m.2 sticks or using m.2 controllers embedded on a card
     
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    The pci express 5.0 nvmes are going to be very , very fast ! The new controllers are insanely fast and iops trough the roof. This makes my Sabrent Rocket Plus 2TB x4 Raid0 obsolete :eek: .
     
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    These speeds don't matter much as long we are bottlenecked by the CPU and file system on Windows.
    We really need Direct Storage to take advantage of these speeds.
    Until then, this is only useful in a handful of situations.
     
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    ^^ This right here 100% true. The only way to reach reasonable speed on high bandwith , high speed , high iops storage set up is to overclock the cpu and tweak the windows 10 file system , on my case i test this with fast nvme's 4.0 in Raid0 on a highpoint Raid card that runs at pci exprees 4.0 x8 , even 5.7Ghz Rocketlake is not enough , as it keeps scaling in benchmarks as ssd / cristal disk , etc ... sad but true :/ , cpu bottleneck and file system is real.

    Direct Storage cannot come soon enough !


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  7. Fediuld

    Fediuld Master Guru

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    Amen

    We need XFS on Windows :D
     
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    Horus-Anhur Ancient Guru

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    Maybe when MS finishes screwing around with the UI, icons, round corners and transparencies, they can get on the job of finishing Direct Storage.
    To consider that SSDs have become mainstream, since the later years of Windows XP. And nvme drives are mainstream for half a decade.
    But Windows still uses the same system as in the age of HDDs.
     
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    Well a new file system for windows wouldn't be bad tbh.
    If we could have maybe a fast FS with no permissions, no attributes, just give me performances for loading applications. Put the important stuff somewhere else.
     
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    Don't start with SSDs because btrfs is specifically designed for NVME/SSD and if it wasn't the lack of performance due to the multiple checks it would have been the go to FS for Linux.
    And perf is affected for the things that make it amazing improving the lifespan and storage of the NVME/SSDs.
     

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    There are faster FS than the one used on Windows having all those things too.
    And if you want to improve the Windows performance turn off indexing completely if you do not search for files all the time across the drive
     
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    The 60x the endurance claim is the most interesting part! And the 4k randoms !
     
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    Main issue is random R/W.
    It seems as if this barely improves.
     
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    These aren't going to be consumer level drives, but rather EDSFF enterprise solutions. I really wish one of the EDSFF formats would make its way to consumers, because M.2 with PCIe 5.0+ is going to be running really hot. We'd be looking at much better thermals if consumers had gotten U.2 2.5" drives instead of M.2 sticks.
     

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