Kepler will be Unbeatable: NVIDIA

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  1. ---TK---

    ---TK--- Ancient Guru

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    on the other hand its ok to bench a 7970 with 3gb vs a 580 with 1.5gb of ram. on that note it would ok to disable 1.5gb of ram (theoretical of course) to be more fair to the 580. the 3gb of ram is an advantage, but a stock advantage. similar to the 680`s rumored advantage
     
  2. Noisiv

    Noisiv Ancient Guru

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    There is a problem. But it has nothing to do with... unfair advantage :rolleyes:

    (and I fail to see UNFAIR ADVANTAGE about the product working as intended and fully covered by warranty)

    The problem _could arise from OC-ing being TDP dependant,
    i.e. results not 100% reproducible.

    Some variance could exists because of the different cooling solutions.
     
  3. Redemption80

    Redemption80 Ancient Guru

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    Nope, as my edited post says.
     
  4. sykozis

    sykozis Ancient Guru

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    There was also a 3GB GTX580....
     

  5. hallryu

    hallryu Don Altobello

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    Well I suppose so but that would make them quite boring. There has to a direct comparison of some description.
     
  6. ---TK---

    ---TK--- Ancient Guru

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    of course, I was giving an example of a stock advantage. some reviews only used a 1.5gb 580.
    I see Redemption beat me to the punch by 2 minutes otherwise I would not even made this post as I said basically what he said lol
    EDIT oops same time
     
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  7. Noisiv

    Noisiv Ancient Guru

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    IF Nvidia decided to call Base Clock - LOW POWER CLOCK,
    and Boost Clock - DEFAULT CLOCK,
    where would that leave "overclocking", and unfair advantage?

    But of course Nvidia decided to call it Boost Clock, because of the marketing,
    not to get fanatics knickers in a twist.
     
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  8. Redemption80

    Redemption80 Ancient Guru

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    Direct "fair" comparisons are just about impossible though.

    Once you take away any game that uses more than 2gb Vram, disable the auto overclock on the 680, then make sure you don't benchmark any game that is TWIMTBP or AMD Gaming Evolved, you would end up with a one page review explaining why there are no benchmarks in their review lol.
     
  9. ---TK---

    ---TK--- Ancient Guru

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    I can see reviews running the 680 out of the box and another graph showing the 680 at stock clocks (if thats possible through software). ie Unwinder
     
  10. Noisiv

    Noisiv Ancient Guru

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    and idd why not.

    it would show what NV fully dynamic clocks brings to the table.
     

  11. BlackZero

    BlackZero Ancient Guru

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    If nvidia decide to make a card that overclocks itself due to software onboard then that's absolutely fine as it's not like AMD cards can't overclock or that AMD can't introduce a similar feature, so I don't think it's unfair but it probably will be a challenge ensuring it all works properly.

    As for people saying having more VRAM is unfair, well that's not really comparable as it's a 'hardware feature' and has absolutely nothing to do with fairness but rather value for money, just like buying a card with better vrm design or better cooling is a hardware feature and hope people aren't going to start calling that an unfair advantage too.

    Back on topic with the auto OC feature, I suspect that feature has a limit or max clock and so may not effect overclocking in the traditional sense that much, but if it is tdp/heat bound and not a standard feature i.e not all cards guaranteed to run at the max boost oc clock then it's going to limit overall overclocking and that's going to be something to consider for overclockers, especially as the 7970 overclocks heavily.
     
  12. cowie

    cowie Ancient Guru

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    Its like any other testing you take card out of the box and install drivers then test.
    If every single 680 card out of the box gets a slight bump in clocks then so be it,still is stock.
     
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  14. Denial

    Denial Ancient Guru

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    Can you guys stop posting annoyingly large pictures?
     
  15. ---TK---

    ---TK--- Ancient Guru

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    mind posting that 7970 with a futuremark link? ^^^ is the tesselation slider on disable?
     

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    cowie Ancient Guru

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    Sorry bro fm link with approved drivers or it did not happen,its been 6 months(sic) since launch of the 7980's what still no fm approved drivers?
     
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    Spets Ancient Guru

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    Think it'll just be an out of box benchmark like normal and a page for OC performance with results from an OC 7970

    @eue, thanks for making half your post an idiotic image that can easily be resized to get your point across.
     
  18. Noisiv

    Noisiv Ancient Guru

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    7970 = 10% better score with 20% bigger OC

    sounds about right to me.
     
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    i cant link cause my 3dmark 11 is no entirely genuine if you know what I mean....:wanker: but there is no cheat on drivers... only a huge overclock...
    if i do the cheat i can easily beat 4k on extreme
     
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  20. ---TK---

    ---TK--- Ancient Guru

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    try the basic version. I`m with cowie on this one. why did you post a 680 with a low core clock. 1110? I believe the 680 should be 1006 stock.
     
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