Italy lockdown ...how bad is the Coronavirus?

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  1. jbscotchman

    jbscotchman Ancient Guru

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    The Coronavirus’ Hidden Death Toll in America’s Counties
     
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    That report is all maybe and conjecture.
    Who ever wrote it even uses the word 'may' as a prefix to their findings.

    One can easily turn around and find reports of someone dying of other causes but said individual had come in to contact with coronavirus and therefore their death is tallied as such and they had no ill effects from the virus itself.
     
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    I think death rates have been undercounted across the entire world, i know in the UK unless covid 19 was confirmed on the death certificate then that death was not part of the official figures, so i don't know if we will ever know the true death toll from this virus.
     
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    The point is that deaths are above normal, more than our covid numbers can account for and it's not just in the U.S. I have posted numerous articles finding the same issue in multiple countries. It's something worth investigating do you not think so?
     
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    Yep, it took us a while to start including figures from care homes and deaths outside of hospitals treating CV19.
    Also Doctors do not have to declare they died from CV19 if they do so there is scope for abuse.
     
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    Why are the dead not tested to determine the exact cause of death?

    Many deaths could be due to other illnesses or another type of flu or virus, however, it seems that doctors are assuming that the cause of death is most likely Covid. Without a test, how can one make that assumption?

    I believe that the true death figure caused by Covid is far less than what they are telling you...
     
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    Yes investigate, but that article was speculation and conjecture, using words like 'may' doesn't mean much and if things were out of hand the people themselves in these towns would raise a concern.

    Many are going to write articles going off on tangents in all directions.
     
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    Hospitals are run for profit in America so the scope for abuse is there.
     
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    I should have prefixed that with being in the UK.
    But yes, I can see profit driven enterprise being worse.
     

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    I just heard a weird "fact" 98% of people get better no matter if they take something or not
    not sure if true I did not try to fact check
    it seems like the number who have/had it might be under but deaths are over
    just imho so don't get all wet in the lungs or nothing.
    many states have the"if you don't know what caused death its ok to take a guess and put it as this virus" have links to that those claims
     
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    First and foremost hospitals (in some areas) are full to the brim with patients.
    Add to that situation scarce resources and staff, so triage is key.
    They focus on the living, and every doctor they have, they are in the same unit. No time and staff for autopsies.
    Now, as it happens some hospitals were lucky to have a full going team doing only autopsies to determine cause of death.
    So, speaking with my family who are still on the Covid 19 team, they were puzzled to find that the autopsy department delivered a very broad range of death causes, but the catalyst and the point no return was the damn Corona virus. But not all cases.
    So, it is early days to say - No, it's not death by this and that, it's the virus or the other way around.
    Eg. One doesn't die precisely of HIV, is the association of illnesses who affect an compromised immunitary system.
    Same here, the virus attacks and if a person has comorbidities, it is a very ugly situation.
    So, thrombosis, pulmonary embolism, liver and heart inflammation are main causes of death.
    But as I said, it is early days.
    Science works by gathering data, and carefully examine the data and information is added constantly. Data accuracy doesn't just show up, there are some hurdles and when people are stressed out, overworked and scared, believe that errors appear.
    So, again, try to understand that personal views and beliefs are not aligned with some realities. If you think that some entity or government swindled you in believe otherwise, why don't you check for yourself and go to a Covid 19 unit and see if the truth is different.
    While you are there, don't wear a mask, it's the flu right?
    And yes, do hold the hands of those intubated in the respiratory systems and try to say again what you've just said before.
    If something doesn't happens to you, don't assume that couldn't happen to someone else.
     
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    Public officials should base their decisions on data. If the data is bad, the decisions might very well turn out to be bad as well. Right now we have quite a blind spot of "something".
    And the people won't notice excess deaths unless they're told it's happening outside of people falling over in the streets. Where do you draw the line of when deaths are "out of hand"?

    Here's a chart of excess deaths for March and April.
    [​IMG]

    Probably because we don't have enough test kits, same reason we don't test everyone who's still alive suspected of infection.
    Why do you think the numbers are overreported and not the other way around? Who saves face by keeping numbers low? Those in charge.
     
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    Churches and places of worship are officially open in America, with certain guidelines recommended. I would personally love to hear whats happening in other countries around the world since guru3d has a large global community.

     
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    its about time they let churches open that was just wrong what they were doing.
    you could go to a packed store with very packed parking lots but they would not let churches have parking lot mass while in cars with windows up and using the radio to listen

    ok in the most death care provider state
    lets see they had a boat they did not use trump got them vents they did not use they had a few places built and did not use them wtf?
    oh right most died in a nursing home

    https://thecity.nyc/2020/05/brooklyn-field-hospital-in-red-hook-shuts-after-no-patients.html

    ok so then if the hospitals can handle it open up some more things don't think of other reasons to keep it closed that's just wrong
    most real experts say it was a better idea for all of us under 50 to have some contact to have "herd immunity" over that age can stay home.
    when the kids get back in school it might be like we never closed at all
    heck for that matter it could have been the same if we never closed at all
    no one can factually claim any different
     
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    I know right? I don't understand the logic of allowing 200-300 people to go shopping in Wal-Mart, Costco, etc at the same time, while forcing a small business with maybe 5-10 customers at a time to shut down. We're getting into the recovery period now, and people should be asking questions as to how and why all this crap started.
     
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    Not sure why you'd put Churches and two of the worst public lying sinners on the planet together... This is not about religion. This is about pandering for votes any anyone with any lick of sense knows. How much more evil will Trump and his minions foster on us? Why is this blatant political nonsense allowed by your ilk?
     
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    You're not sure of the logic of FOOD being an essential and meeting for your religion is not. Utterly absurd comparison. Why do religious folks feel their right to meet is more important?
     
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    Why you gotta hate so much? This is NEWS! I am posting NEWS about the global pandemic. If you wanna make it political then that is your issue.
     
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    You have a point. We cannot claim your opinions are factually wrong. We can assert however, that your opinions are not fact and in fact go against the established science of nearly 2 centuries. And you cannot factually claim any different. In a nutshell: I prefer the science over your unfounded opinions.
     

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