Italy lockdown ...how bad is the Coronavirus?

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  1. Texter

    Texter Ancient Guru

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    Yeah, when you're walking on eggs...don't hop.
     
  2. Noisiv

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    I dunno about that. Italians have quite a few words starting with furbo :) although it's puzzling to me that as to why the south of Italy is still doing so much better than the rest of the country. Yes OK - much lower population density but even if you compensate for density... isn't the South that much less disciplined? If any1 doesn't give a damn about state and rules isn't that Calabria, Sicily?

    It's like this virus is at the same time very very transmissible,.... yet if you follow few simple rules, it's relatively easy to control. Come to think of it - there is no contradiction there.
     
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    Keep partisan politics out of threads here.
     
  4. Alessio1989

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    South is even less disciplined (simple sample), however the virus spread mostly in the north from the beginning..
     

  5. anticupidon

    anticupidon Ancient Guru

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    In the end, we all gonna get the virus. Either by infection or via a vaccine.
    Sounds a bit gloomy, but better to prepare for the worst and hope for the better than otherwise.
    Just hope in the case of the infection to suffer a easy form of it and get over it. And start donating plasma or antibodies to others to help out.
    Not that I want IT. NO.
    But waiting for something almost inevitable, it's eroding the mind and body.
     
  6. Noisiv

    Noisiv Ancient Guru

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    Yes but I am not talking about absolute numbers, but the trend; inclination of the curve if you will.
    We don't see anything close to exponential rise (luckily), even with distancing lacking as that ^^, is what i mean.
     
  7. Amaze

    Amaze Ancient Guru

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    So what I'm wondering is, if there is yet no proven immunity like WHO said, does that mean there's a chance we'll never get a working vaccine?
     
  8. Mufflore

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    A number of possibilities.
    The vaccine for a particular strain is only viable for a short period after being given so may need to be given more than once over a longer period.
    The vaccine for a particular strain does what we hope and lasts.
    The virus mutates enough to need a new vaccine very regularly, maybe too regularly.
    A vaccine may be created that covers a very broad spectrum but doesnt last long.
    A vaccine may be created that covers a broad spectrum and lasts a long time.
    ...

    Its too early to know, all we can get are warnings and current progress reports.
    The direct answer to your question is yes, it is possible.
    The chance of it remaining this way is slim, a huge amount of resources will be applied to attack this from a lot of angles.
    Even if it looks lost, we have some serious tools to take apart how the virus operates, not least of which is AI.
    But it could take a long time to get a result thats safe to use on the general population.
    Then again it could be real bloody quick.

    Who knows atm.
     
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  9. HeavyHemi

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    All it too was my first pointing out the facts of the sequencing of the virus genome by several labs making the Dr's claim impossible on its face. Thanks for recognizing that. Oh wait, you didn't, you still wanted to promote your theory.
     
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    No Alessio, altrimenti non si spiegherebbe il 94% dei nuovi casi in Lombardia, mentre al sud il virus sta regredendo in maniera significativa. Eviterei di parlare di cose che non conosci, sebbene gli episodi di cui parli (manco li ho visti, credo ti riferisca al funerale di Saviano) siano vergognosi. Al sud stiamo barricati in casa, altro che indisciplinati. Vedi che a sto giro alcune regioni del nord non ci fanno una gran bella figura, un esempio: Trivulzio.

    Ps: sorry for the italian post but it’s nothing useful for the other users.
     

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    It's not about a funeral in Saviano, just look how many people al fooling around in the streets.

    As for Lombardy... In other ages Fontana & co. heads would be on spikes along the wall of the city....

    Satiric video about Lombardy (hint for English users: enable subs).

     
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    Ok you guys want unbiased, unfiltered, factual news? Look no further than the smartest cat on the internet.

     
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    - new cold war pushing, spicy
    - China bad, US good, super high IQ take, full of nuance, and not at all caused by terminal levels of partisan ultranationalism
     
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    Daily mail, the king of the sensationalist gutter press, how many miracle vaccine stories have they posted these last few weeks, must be going for the click bait record, i expect them to say santa claus will have a vaccine ready in time for xmas at this point.
     
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    I wont dispute they post some crap articles but so do all papers.
    I'm very selective what I read.
    If you disagree with a particular link, please post why.
     
  18. HeavyHemi

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    Maybe so..but I did not get a word into the article cause...headlights...
    dat ad....

    NSFW
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    MOD EDIT: This is a friendly reminder that some people are still at work. So a heads up for NSFW and that image between spoiler tags would be more appropriate.
    now it just fills the screen almost full size. not really appropriate at work.
     
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    For the first time in Italy the number of currently infected people is decreasing (-20, but other 454 deaths though...). Time is getting longer to a country restart (the number of swabs per day is higher then 1 month ago, but still other new 2256 infected), not sure about other near countries if the they are making the right choices accelerating all the things..
     
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    Some new info from here in Los Angeles, a new USC study found more that 60 times the projected number of people have the antibodies, which equates to more than 300,000 infections, most are asymptomatic as well.
    Interesting.
     
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