Internet speeds and online gaming.....

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  1. bsc14

    bsc14 Master Guru

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    I'm curious how much internet speeds make a difference.

    A friend of mine was telling me that 3mb down and 300kb up was more than you even need.

    Now I have no idea myself but I'm curious if this is true. I just upgraded my internet to 10mb down and and 896kb up.

    I know it will help for streaming movies from netflix but will it make much or any difference in games online?
     
  2. JN821

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    I never really noticed a difference in gaming just a lower ping when playing with people in Europe.
     
  3. nexu

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    For online gaming, what more important than bandwidth is stability and latency.

    You could have 60mbps downstream but an unstable connectivity causing the infamous lagspikes (if the game isn't designed to compensate for that, aka anti-lag) or high bandwidth but also high latency between the connectivity from your ISP to other network peerings, giving you high ping even tho the "game server" is supposedly hosted in the same town as where you live.

    ping and tracert (on windows) / ping and traceroute (on linux) are basic network tools to check for latency and stability.
     
  4. Passion Fruit

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    This.
     

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    Indeed. With buisness class lines you will obtain much lower pings than with consumer ones. They put priority on your packets.
     
  6. bsc14

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    So how do you test for this...remember I'm a noob. :)
     
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    Yeah, for online gaming, what more important than bandwidth is stability and latency, becouse the download bandwidth is good usualy, but if you are the host you need a good upload bandwidth, and this is reserved to hosting bussiness becouse is expensive usualy.
     
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    I see you are running Vista. You could try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PathPing

    Replace the "wikipedia.com" part where it say "The following is the output of the command pathping wikipedia.com" in the article with your favorite online game server hostname or ip address.
     
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    Command Prompt-----> ping xxx.xxx.x.x

    Done.

    or tracert xxx.xxx.x.x to see how many hops you're getting.
     

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    pathping is a combination of ping & tracert ;)
     
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    True...
     
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    I have a 5MBit D and 512KBit U and guess what I cant Host many people at all even in simple Games because that Equals to 60kbyte/s. And lets just say it suxxorz we used to have 4MBIT D and 1MBit U which was better but not by much
     
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    I use speedtest.net to test out speed and latency.

    deltatux
     
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    I have the same speed as the OP. I been gaming online for years and will always say the more speed the better the experience. A 3mb download is not good now adays. Anyone who says thats good or acceptable has no clue in what there talking about. It's decent at best, that's it. Good for some dling and using the internet. You will be able to game but hosting not likely due to your upload limit which with a 3mb package is usually 300-600kb and most will say 700kb is needed to host properly.
    I had Sprint dsl, then it turned into Embarq, now it's turning into Century Link. They say speeds will get even better. I hope so, I always like more speed.
     

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    texasrattleer: Playing online and hosting numerous players on a game are two different sides of the coin.

    The average online gamers don't need an uber fat pipe, this doesn't effect the latency and the stability of the line. Games don't use that much bandwidth, but if you're hopping over a lot of nodes and your ping is high containing a bit of jitter then that's a problem with your ISP not your bandwidth.

    When your hosting, the same also matters, but common sense also tells you the more upload bandwidth you have the better the experience will be for your peers, because its you that needs to upload the data to each and every one of them. When you yourself are a peer, that isn't so much the case.

    My upload is only 512k here in the UK [i have 10MB download, and my line stability which is what matters, is excellent] and it has never been higher. Are you going to tell me my online experience is "decent at best"? Because if you are, you frankly dont know what you are talking about.
     
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    It also seems to depend to which country you're connecting. When playing on a New York server in css with 80 ping from Belgium, I barely have any packet loss but when playing on a french server with 25 ping... oh boy.
     
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    I have Embarq as well....I'm in the Houston area.

    Anyway yeah it was Sprint then Embarq and now Century Link...wish they would just stop. I hope my Email does not have to change...

    Anyway, my new speeds don't kick in until Thursday next week. :(
     
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    At a guess it's probably to do with number of hops and quality of the repeaters between the different servers you use...

    It may even be that the French server is crap.....
     
  20. nexu

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    Interesting, you say you have been gaming online for years and talk about what's good and not. Yet you consider hosting game server on a consumer grade internet connection is quality at all.
    But PC gamers serious about quality online gaming don't host games on their consumer grade home internet connection. They rent either a dedicated machine or just rent a pre-configured gameserver, where they are located in datacenters, with good peerings, to ensure stability and low latency for players connected to it and 24/7 uptime.

    Also, something has to be said about the quality of a network when it keeps changing owners. Tho not necessary a bad thing, but i can't see how it's a good thing either.
     

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