Intel Z370 Chipset Could Support Kaby Lake But Intel Will Not Allow It

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  1. claydough

    claydough Active Member

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    I would be happy sticking with x58 and i7-980x for the past 7 years if the sata 3 controller wasn't so bad on the RE III and PCIE 3 wasn't introduced right after that purchase.
    ( ouch... No m.2 u.2 nvme etc. Since adopting ssd I doubt that my user experience would feel that storage speed or graphic lane gen compromise. It's still bothersome )
    But now that PCIE 4 & 5 are back to back in little over a year...
    That just seems to soon to pull the trigger on a major purchase when comparatively that would probably kneecap future purchases and upgrade manuevering for another 8 years?

    In which case...
    I would view any major purchase now as a temp stopgap measure with little upgrade viability?

    Don't see where the drama is anymore with chipsets. The last time I bought a mb with an eye to CPU upgrade viability I went with AMD and got butt hurt almost immediately when they dropped my socket 939 choice!
    ( doh! That fx60 was pretty boss tho )

    But since Moore's law has been squeezed anyway...
    It actually seems as if all the advancement opportunities come with new chipsets?
    ( lane increases, memory gen/speed, i/o bandwidth: HDMI 2.0, DisplayPort 1.4, thunderbolt, usb 3.1, NVME... Even upcoming Optane iops storage performance are the only intriguing technological considerations next to GPU upgrades that hold the most weight making upgrades exciting? )

    The last thing I wanted to hear was that coffe lake wouldn't require a new z370 chipset! Isn't it obvious that such chipset advancements is where all the sexy happens nowadays any way?

    The determining factor should not be whether or not advancement and update paths are forced...
    I still consider myself an enthusiast. What would determine my possible temp purchase path right before the back to back PCIE 4/5 updates is whether or not Intel brings exciting features/POWER with that forced path?

    It becomes a whole different story if z370 brings say...
    38 lanes and quad channel memory in addition to that coffee lake core increase!
    In which case that new 6 core single threaded calculation performance king suddenly becomes my 6 core HEDT workstation upgrade!
    ( as far as an i7-980x holdout is concerned.)

    Or the tableau becomes even uglier if nothing intriguing/new is brought to the proverbial table with that forced path...
    Which would certainly stink of arrogance and greed grab in light of the vocal competition mandate against a market of boring increment.

    Either way ( good or bad ) the results will be more telling because of z370.

    I have no confidence at this point...
    But not ready to congratulate AMD EITHER for SIMPLY waking up out of a decade of absent hibernation. I have my fingers crossed for RYZEN'S 2nd iteration...

    Hopefully timed for a threadripped PCIE-5 equipped chipset I can upgrade GPUs on for another 8 years!

    ( chipset + GPU upgrade longevity is the only true sexy pronz )
     
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  2. claydough

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    Then again...
    Everything seems like a bad timing purchase or painfully temporary.
    The way monitors are folding in existing/aging TV advanced tech at an insanely high gamer brand baited premium...
    It is becoming apparent that they r going to milk out speedy low latency monitors with HDR color accuracy and bit depth in addition to sharp contrast ratios enabled by self emitting diode equipped screens...
    Seemingly? 6 years behind the TV industry.

    Been a hardware enthusiast since the mid 90's and I don't ever remember a hardware tech market where "the timing" of purchases made every major investment ( save broadband internet ) seem like such an expensive "temporary" proposition in light of an obvious and inevitable end game solution just out of reach.
    For the past 5 years I have been bemoaning the death of the 32" TV( relevent 32" set anyway ) set market that use to rule 4:3. In which case we would have that temporary solution to wait out insanity in the monitor market.
    ( dependent on game modes that were given attention )
     
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    claydough Active Member

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    Hilbert's NDA industry relevance equates to a support of... or perhaps a contribution to 3rd world slave labor abuse? :)

    I have a computer...
    Does that link me to industrial 3rd world workforce rapage as well?

    6 degrees of Kevin Bacon slave labor?
    ( an accusatory straw man argument game the whole angry internet can play! Anyone who dies not endorse my game is guilty by loose associations because bad things are for real )
     
  4. Venix

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    well although the socket changed in my case i was left with a broken z77 motherboard and a 3770k i had to dive the used market mind you was about the end of life time of the 4770k and 4790k no 6xxx cpus out yet but new z77 where nowhere to be found say now if your motherboard breaks down you will be left with either having to search on the used market for a z170 z270 or change your cpu also
     

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    By far? No, not at all. It is the most well-rounded gaming CPU for enthusiasts. But if you play at 60Hz displays or 4K, Ryzen is perfectly fine. If you do anything beyond gaming (including streaming content) then Intel has plenty of better offerings.
     
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    I don't expect much in terms of gaming performance, but then again we're all speculating.
     
  7. Size_Mick

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    Late to the party here, but let me speculate: Could Intel be limiting the compatibility of these CPUs because they simply could not make enough of them to fill demand if they were to allow them on previous chipsets?
     
  8. Fender178

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    Yeah I agree that this is a dickish move by Intel. If you look at AMD's AM3+ socket it supported a wide variety of CPUs from the Phenom II X series to the FX series. Not sure why Intel can't do the same as AMD. However I think Intel wants to nickel and dime anyone they can by forcing them to purchase a new motherboard. But if you are upgrading from a lets say a 1st generation i7 to Kaby or Coffee Lake then you need a new Motherboard anyway. Plus Intel Supported multiple CPUs before if you look at IB and SB on the same Motheboard.
    If you do not like this site and the community then just leave no one is forcing you to stay.
     
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    I'm currently considering an athlon x4 950 based b350 system with 32gb of ram, since the core 2 quad based system i have ,while still sufficient performance wise for my purposes, is really starting to be limiting due to the lack of ram(if i could find some of those unicorn-like compatible 1066mhz 4gb ddr2 modules for a reasonable price i would), , was considering a z270 system with a used skylake cpu, but the mobo's are more expensive and it lacks an upgrade path.

    Would much rather go for a z370 + g4560 type deal, but alas it is not meant to be...
     
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    What's the failure rate on "gamer" motherboards though? My impression is that CPUs/GPUs/Motherboards are very reliable & rarely fail before they become obsolete? Aren't you just extremely unlucky if you have a motherboard failure?
     

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    they are electronics it can happen to anyone really , on the other hand mine was not a normal occasion since i went on holidays 1 month unaware that the water heater above the room was leaking water so leaving my house sealed for a month the room and the pc included ended up covered in mold ..... i was surprised after the cleaning it was still working but the motherboard died a bit after , still electronics have failures even the top quality ones
     
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    Ah yes, acts of God can happen! Pity that Z370 won't be compatible with older CPUs for the the unluckies amoungst us.
     
  13. Fender178

    Fender178 Ancient Guru

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    Hilbert did nothing wrong. And yet you are still criticizing him. Like I said before if you do not like it here then leave no one is forcing you to stay.
     

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