Intel Z370 Chipset Could Support Kaby Lake But Intel Will Not Allow It

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    "New info also shows that the new 6-core procs can do an all-core 5 GHz overclock on a proper air cooler / liquid cooling without too much complication."

    This may be what sells this platform. A lot of people will bark and b*tch about Intel's tactics (and should mind you), but this right here will sell this platform.
     
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    Lets wait and see what Zen 2/ Zen + will offer.
     
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    4.8 till it starts to have the same issues as the 7700k
     

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    If this is an artificial limitation this could be an easy solution.

    It's quite simple to add new microcode to Z270 bios.
    This would be interesting to test.
     
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    This will stir up some shi.. :D
     
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    That quote was pulled from the article that Hilbert wrote. Not something I pulled out of thin air. I will take 5Ghz to mean 5Ghz not 4.8Ghz.
     
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    6 X 5.0 sounds great.

    Would sound even better on our still very new Z270 boards.
     
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    The chinnese guys that done it stated that the heat and the fact that it is not soldered prevents it to maintain 5.0 ergo 4.8 comment
     
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    So deliding will still be a thing. *sigh* -looks at 2600k/z77 rig and giver her a gentle pat on the back-
     
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    I think intel has lost the memo, I understand that they want to sell people new chips, but preventing people from using chips that are less than a year old for no techinical reason ,when they are facing stiff competition, seems like a very bad idea.
    I would think they would want people looking to upgrade to stay with intel, much easier to do that if they don't have to upgrade the motherboard and cpu at the same time.

    Only reason I can see for them doing this, is to prevent people from buying second hand chips and using them with z370 board, or they still want to sell z270 boards along side z370, both of which seem fool hardy.
     
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    So if I write something a bit vague like that, don't you get the hint that whenever I write something like that I might indicate something I cannot say out in the open?

    ;)
     
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    Got a feeling that this will be temporary to force adoption of Z370 and then once that runs it course we will see microcode updates to encourage Z270 owners to upgrade CPUs.

    Right around that update we might see a "refresh" to bump up speed a little on the CPUs. All of this feels pretty predictable at this point.
     
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    If that's true, that'd be pretty messed up, because if after that happened, you decide to match the "newly" supported CPU with with a Z370 motherboard, and you happened to get a motherboard that has not been updated to the latest BIOS, you could be potentially screwed if that prevents you from updating the bios.
     
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    It remains to be seen but i'm speculating a AM4+ somewhere down the line too.
     

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    It's already here it's called ThreadRipper
     
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    Should it be compatible, in a scenario where a Kaby Lake CPU owner loses their z270 mobo, they might think, let's get a z370 mobo instead, just in case, even though they had no concrete plans to spend money to get a Coffee Lake CPU. With that prevented like this, the person would need to judge between getting another dead-end mobo for the "old" CPU or perhaps upgrade it all to the new Coffee Lake, mobo and CPU. Naturally Intel would rather sell both a chipset and a CPU, not only a chipset.
     
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    it's as if Intel has a target painted on their crotch while wearing a kick me sign on their back.
    this is what forces many Intel users to hold off until a time when their cpu/mobo dies.
    if you were planning a rig last spring, oh well it's already outdated and incompatible.

    AMD wins here by default...and the default wins used to be Intel.
    it's super ironic to me that just as Intel forgoes the "tick-tock", AMD is instituting it with the 12nm shrink, while work is continuing on the 7nm node. this is excellent planning and a method to refine techniques necessary for the shrink.
    i like Intel at 10nm, just not the bungled (future tense) marketing . the technology is great and with a few nods to fans (solder...lol) they could have a hedt win here.
     
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    A douche move by Intel, but nothing unexpected.

    I'm fairly certain there will be inofficial (modded) BIOS versions with microcode update to allow the new CPUs on Z270 Mainboards and older CPUs on Z370 Mainboards if it's possible.
     
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    Yep and Yep, I completely agree with ya there.

    5 Ghz on 6 cores, or even 4.8 on 6 cores sounds pretty nice for the vast majority of gaming needs though.
     

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