Intel Xe DG2 could have the performance level of an RTX 3070

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  1. Herem

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    Ray tracing isn't anywhere near being a budget gaming option at moment. If you're gaming at 1080p with a $150-200 card, turn off ray tracing and put the settings to high instead of ultra and you have a perfectly adequate budget gaming setup.

    Once AMD and Nvidia release their next gen budget cards, you'll probably be get to the point where you can run ultra settings (but still without RT) at 1080p.
     
  2. Kool64

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    Aside from big Navi anyone who can't buy a nonexistent 3070. Unless stock increases by then of course.
     
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    They can't move past 14nm and its speculated these will be made on 6nm? Ya right...
     
  4. yeeeeman

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    6nm is pretty sure. 16GB if VRAM is not sure, but depending on the amount of VRAM we can deduce how good/bad the GPU is, so with 16GB of RAM I would expect performance around rtx 3070.
     

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    You have a great imagination. 3070 like card for 200$? We're talking about intel. These cards will be expensive, probably at the same level as nvidia, if not higher.
     
  6. moo100times

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    The DG1 barely beats an mx330 which is not a great initial show for Intel. These speculations for the DG2 seem rather pie in the sky.
     
  7. schmidtbag

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    I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that we're speculating the performance of a GPU that hasn't been released with another GPU whose performance we have to speculate because it too hasn't been released....

    Anyway, I've seen benchmarks of the mobile Xe GPU and it's actually an impressive leap forward. I don't know all the technical details to compare it with their previous generation stuff, but in some cases it delivers double the performance under the same power consumption (actual measured power consumption, as opposed to Intel's meaningless TDP). Despite this though, AMD's Vega on their mobile APUs are still better, which doesn't bode well for Xe.


    Have you not bought any Intel product besides a CPU? Their prices are perfectly reasonable for their other products. They're practically never budget options, but the point is, Intel does make competitively-priced products. They know they're out of their realm entering the GPU market, so they will have competitive prices if they expect success.
     
  8. willgart

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    Intel and low prices is not expected from my point of view.

    if they release next year a 3070 equivalent, AMD and NVidia will have their 4050/4060 (or 7600/7700 AMD) ready for more power and same price.

    but for now, there is a lot of rumors around the Intel GPU cards, some of them saying that the expected performance is not here and they have a lot of problems. up to the point they'll cancel it.
    and based on the track record of intel on the past years... having big shift from them is a normal process.
    so everything is possible... maybe they'll be able to deliver a gpu... maybe not.
     
  9. H83

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    There are always customers for video cards at any time. If your card goes bust, you don´t sit down waiting for the next gen to be released, do you?

    Anyway releasing something as good as the 3070 would be quite the achievement for Intel, and i can´t see them pulling this one this good, but i could be wrong of course.

    So true. But maybe you can rise up to the challenge so you can tell all the other gurus if the path is safe or not...:D Be brave!!!
     
  10. Six_Tymes

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    this is good news if true. after all, it would be good to have more competition, and other choices rather than only amd or nvida each year.
     

  11. gmavignier

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    Wake me up if or when this comes true. I still don't see Intel on the GPU market at all. Integrated and discrete GPUs are on a whole different ball park.
     
  12. fantaskarsef

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    Can't see Intel competing in the DGPU market until 2023 or so, what a waste of money they're pushing into it. Takes years until there's a pay off, and even then it has to be proportionally successful to earn them back the investment.
    Until then, watch the stock drop year over year.
     
  13. tsunami231

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    is this what intel is say or is there some kind proof? intel has tried atlest 3x i remeber to make "gpu" cards that actual worth using for gaming and most time they really underpowered
     
  14. Maddness

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    But, but they have Raja working for them now.
     
  15. Kaarme

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    I don't think they are pouring billions in it for the sake of gaming cards. They need GPUs for the server market. The same basic technology will work in the gaming market. Intel already has a huge deal with the US government for a supercomputer, which uses Intel CPUs+GPUs. I imagine the gaming side is an offshoot, in a manner of speaking. Or in other words, if Intel needs to develop GPU tech anyway, they might as well try to make profit from the private consumer and small business creator market as well, not only from the server side.
     
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  16. coth

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    I don't care whose label is glued to the board. Everything depend on price, performance and driver support, as iGPU driver support was just few years. But in this case it's not just performance, but RT performance.
    But they should have release it this year, before Cyberpunk 2077. Next year will probably be too late. At at least they would show something to hold on potential customers from buying Ampere and RDNA2.
     
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  17. Zeka

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    If the consoles are doing ray-tracing then that is the mainstream. And $500-$600 is not mainstream. I could probably afford to spend that much money on a gaming card, but I don't want to.
    These are toys, nothing more. Very few use them for anything else than PLAYING GAMES.

    If manufacturers continue with this pricing trend, they will kill PC gaming. Consoles are cheaper and have better graphics then mid-range PC.

    I would be very happy to see another player in the GPU arena, even if it's Intel. If they want to disrupt the market, they need to bring performance of RTX2070 to $200 - $250 range.
    I'm willing to forgive spotty drivers,.. that's something that improves over time. We all know how much time it took ATI/AMD to have decent drivers... some would say they are still not good enough.
     
  18. 0blivious

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    What's with all the bellyaching? Were people expecting a 4080Ti as a debut? I thought no one was expecting Intel to produce much of anything. 3070 is 2080Ti level. That's not terrible, even next year.

    I'm not saying I want one, but I find this news promising. Don't we want them to bring competition?
     
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  19. tsunami231

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    cause every time there "news" about intel make gpu or igpu is significantly weak then the claim it to be? would be nice if they make card that can compete Nvidia is compete with them selves AMD make card that less power full, but just power hungery if not more and charge slightly less. and well matrix and savage ore just names of past now
     
  20. sykozis

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    Intel never announced a launch date for DG2. The only product Intel has mentioned publicly is DG1, which was slated to launch in 2020.

    In regards to Larrabee, where is no "basically".... The Larrabee project was cancelled with zero products launched in any market. Larrabee actually never came out. A Larrabee "graphics card" was demoed 1 time, running Quake Wars: Ray Traced in September 2009, before being cancelled in December 2009 with the Larrabee project as a whole being shuttered in May 2010.
     

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