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Intel to Switch to 7nm products in 2021

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, May 9, 2019.

  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Intel will start the production of 7nm chips in 2021 and in that year the first chips must also be released based on that fabrication node. The company also shared some more details about the arrival ...

    Intel to Switch to 7nm products in 2021
     
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    How many of new roadmaps we will see from Intel before AMD launches it's Zen2 7nm?
    Please take your bet wisely!:D
     
  3. fantaskarsef

    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

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    Just... had to laugh at that slide #7:

    "Ensure supply" - Oh yeah?
    "10nm products on shelves - on track full year shipping goals" - Oh yeah?
    "Leadership products" - Oh yeah? Aren't we still running pumped up Skylake from 2015 in general? Four years no new architecture and no new node, and fundamental security flaws still in CPUs on shelves and in nearly every computer around this world?


    Intel's like... getting boring to read news about.
     
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  4. slyphnier

    slyphnier Master Guru

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    yet here u are still reading and commenting on intel news :D
     
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  5. Andy Watson

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    How many FABs have intel get doing 10nm? Considering it is a mobile chip and laptops are quite popular nowadays ( so young people tell me) will the supply be enough? Or will they be priced just above their current 14nm mobile chips which will soldier on.

    I'm not going to bash Intel, they have given us years of great cpu's from Conroe onwards until these current problems, so it will be interesting to see how they get on.

    It has allowed AMD some breathing space thankfully to still exist with their current good products to give competition.
     
  6. sverek

    sverek Ancient Guru

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    Intel: Relentless innovation continues!

    ALSO Intel:
    14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
     
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  7. fantaskarsef

    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

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    hehe yeah it's true :D
     
  8. Kaarme

    Kaarme Ancient Guru

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    Let's believe it when we see it. Talk is cheap. Powerpoint slides only marginally less cheap. Intel products aren't cheap, though. I guess there's some kind of connection there.
     
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    ladcrooks Master Guru

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    Cant see the problem here. They got 14nm already, why not just cut them in half :D
     
  10. ruthan

    ruthan Master Guru

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    There is not real penalty for empty promises, because its common practice in this area.. so than fail in such environment..
     

  11. nevcairiel

    nevcairiel Master Guru

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    The Intel shortage in recent months was in part due to some fabs already transitioning to 10nm and as such reducing the 14nm capacity. But because of 10nm delays, that really hurt. Now that the 10nm fabs can spin up, it should definitely be getting better - in 14nm supply, and since new products require a bit of a runup time, also plenty in 10nm.

    Mobile chips don't go from the fab to shelfes in a week. They go to laptop manufacturers and maybe on the shelfes in 4-6 months. Thats all time Intel has to produce 10nm stock. :)
     
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    10nm is a failure and won't even be better than 14nm+++++. That is why they aren't using it on desktops. But they put work into it so they want to get SOMETHING out of it, even if it is just marketing value.

    2021 is a long ways away in the tech world.. Better start popping up new CTS LABS clones, and make illegal deals with Dell/HP to avoid using AMD processors.
     
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    The Intel roadmap multiverse
     
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  14. karma777police

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    Say whatever you want to say, Intel still has the best and fastest CPUs on the market. In my mind it is pretty embarrassing that AMD still cannot catch up with essentially Core 2 technology. Laptop and mobile processors are more important than desktop processors. I am not worried about Intel at all.
     
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    nice.
     

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    What you are essentially saying is that Intel is still using the same Core 2 technology today. Which is true, of course, judging by the multi-generation spanning Spectre, Meltdown, and other vulnerabilities. Pretty embarrassing indeed, but not at all surprising considering they did nothing to give more performance to the mainstream customers until AMD kicked their ass.

    Btw, single core speed is all Intel offers in a better form, and even then you are gonna pay extra for it.

    There, I said whatever I wanted to say.
     
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    Fastest? Maybe. Best? Arguable.

    Modern Intel processors are nothing like the original Core 2 processors - every single component has been redesigned since then. The branch prediction is totally different (notably Sandybridge where they changed away from trace to UOP cache) The front end decoder has been redesigned. The INT/FP pipelines were redesigned (notably the ALUs) they gained an address generation unit, the caches are different.. honestly the more I think about it, I would argue a modern Intel CPU is more different than Core 2 then Core 2 was to Pentium 4, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

    IMO the only thing that even keeps Intel "faster" than AMD is the switching speed which is a combination of foundry and heavily optimized cell libraries.

    Just because those vulnerabilities span multiple generations doesn't mean it's using the same technology. ARM processors were effected by those vulnerabilities - would you argue that ARM hardware is "essentially" Core 2? There is a convergence in the way things are processed - speculative execution for example is present in all modern processors but is implemented entirely differently in hardware.
     
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    nyet, nope, no
    Intel's shortage was entirely Intel's own fault. they took excess contact work (iPhone X modems esp.) at a node they roadmapped for cpus. PERIOD.

    Intel was and is complacent, thinking they can have it all and do it all. 10nm is and has been the largest embarrassment in the company's history.
    and they didn't need to be - this was all done in the corporate suites after the engineers told them better, but the marketing folks (as they have the last seven years) won the day.
    Intel has imho, the very best minds in the business - as far as engineering. but the management is stuck "fighting the last wars" instead of focusing on the actual market, and one of the worst "last wars" is putting the cart in front of the horse and expecting people to buy it as something "new".
     
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    Uhh... Yes it does. It's a hardware level vulnerability. They didn't resign it entirely, so the same vulnerabilities are still there. The only thing I give Intel due respect for is fairly quickly adapting new SATA, USB, and other such standards. Those parts of the CPU they definitely did redesign. As for the rest, it's just your word. I do find it a little suspicious they would have completely redesigned them yet still be left with the exact same flaws. Not to mention the performance was only increased with clocks, like with my Ivy Bridge -> Skylake "upgrade".

    I don't know why you are talking about ARMs here. I see no relevance. They aren't relatives of Intel's x86-64 CPUs. If they have flaws, they are their own flaws.
     
  20. Denial

    Denial Ancient Guru

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    What are you talking about?

    https://meltdownattack.com/

    The flaw is in speculative execution. It doesn't matter what hardware is performing it. They call it a hardware flaw because it's at the hardware level but there are multiple ways to implement speculative execution in hardware. It's essentially abusing a paradigm of hardware. You can completely redesign the way the hardware is looking to execute future code but the flaw itself tricking the processor to execute future code it's not supposed to. Intel/ARM/AMD I think even Xilinx - they all do speculative execution and they are all vulnerable to the exact same vector of attack. Are all these processors "essentially core 2s" ? No.
     
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