Intel to release Cooper Lake - Another 14nm based processor

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    user1 Ancient Guru

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    The question is, is it a backport of some newer uarch or will intel continue to pedal skylake variants and increase the tdp inorder to sustain higher frequencies
     
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    14nm has been serving Intel quite well. Over the last 12 months Intel's stock has gone from 36.59 in August 17 to $49.96 August 2018. Revenue in Q2 was 16.96 billion up 15%. If the dog barks.
     
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    Intel doesn't make just consumer CPUs. I think 2019 is gonna be a real problem for them. don't get me wrong its Intel they can overcome almost anything its just that AMD is gonna bite a little more of their pie, one heck of a pie!
     

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    It will be 14nm forever fór Intel xd
     
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    I bet Intel's shareholders aren't too happy about the fact.
     
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    Its not exactly unexpected. We already knew that 10nm wasn't coming out before Holiday 2019 for Consumer, and 2020 for Server, so there would be something in between.

    I do hope that Ice Lake will actually be good though, once we see it.
     
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    JamesSneed Maha Guru

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    This couldn't have happened to a better company. Im so happy Intel is faltering a bit we need AMD healthy with a decent market share to keep pricing and innovation in place. Intel should have just stuck with "Whiskey Lake" because they are going to need one in 2019 while AMD wipes the floor in the server market.

    FYI: Next time someone asks how many drinks have you had, the correct answer is 2++(Just add as many plusses as needed).
     
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    When Lakey Lake?
     
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    To be clear, nm is pretty arbitrary these days. Intel's 14nm is equivalent to their competitors' 10nm. They're losing their lead, but they did have a lead. It's been a long time since nm has been a standardized measure.

    That said, they don't seem like they're going to be able to do anything smaller than 14nm for the near future, which will make them lose their lead even more. I never thought I'd be considering getting an AMD CPU but here I am, looking at the 2700X :)
     

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    I'm looking forward to the 3700X. It'd be pretty nice having the first 7nm x86 CPU, and it'll probably be a solid upgrade from my current 1800X (same socket as well). Even better if it comes with more cores.
     
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    The question remains, will the enemy(AMD) beat them to 7nm or not. 7nm Zen 2 - 8/16 core or 3700X should be a beast while being only very low wattage. If it's 25% better single core performance then they'll have a super sweet product on their hands.

    It's crazy to even think about that AMD might have jumped ahead of the competition beating them to lower nm parts. Intel will be stuck on 14/10nm for a good while yet.
     
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    Fail. Next, milkyou lake


    So I see icelake is now 2020.. was end 2018 at first, then 2019.. Amd ryzen2 it is then.
     
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    @Reddoguk stuck on 14nm sure but 10nm is not as bad if they get it right from what was heard in the past intels 10nm are about equal or slightly better than tsmc's a 7nm the thing is their 10 nm was meant to lunch in 2016 or so
     
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    I think there is a misunderstanding regarding Intel and 14nm. They are quite happy to continue selling refresh/respin products on the same process for as long as possible as long as it sells. And it sells, for sure.
    You make the smallest effort since you don't move to a newer process and you don't change uArch too much, so I think revenues will be at their highest. Also, every single process has more to give, if engineers tweak it. Look at how 14 nm evolved, from 3.3 Ghz Broadwell, to close to 4 Ghz Skylake, to over 4 Ghz Kaby Lake and then, Coffee at 5Ghz. Same process that wasn't throttled back from the start, they just made adjustments, improved things over time and got more performance and efficiency from it.
    I really would love to see manufacturers do this more, stays 4-5 years on the same process and innovate more, squeeze more from the actual process. During this time they will have enough time to prepare a new process, make it great and avoid these kinds of situations where "expectations" were not met.
     

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    Maybe but will 10nm or even 7nm improve fps in games? i have my doubts. I believe in the near future all chips will perform pretty evenly in games at least. People will stop choosing which is the better gaming chip over which is the least hot or noisy or which is better at fps/temp/watts rather than pure overclocked speed.

    If fps is high enough then i'd prefer a cooler system and won't overclock anymore. I game @ 1080p on a 24" 75hz monitor which i run with V-sync on just to keep the temps/noise down. Nearly every game i play can manage 75 fps solid and the temps are well below 60C. Even though it's only 15hz more than a 60hz monitor i can see a huge difference between 60 and 75 hz.

    My next cpu will be able to hit that 75hz/fps easy while on default settings hopefully remaining really cool while doing it.
     
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    Current offers from AMD and Intel could considering they both by default have turbo enabled could do 75hz most games out the box I'm sure.
     
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    Issue i see is, if they are this far behind on their 10nm, where are they at on anything lower?
     
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    @Aura89 nowhere i guess but it does not mean they will hit such wall on the next proccess we will see i guess!
     
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    Stock prices are decided by people who a) know little about tech, and b) are not in the tech industry. It is unwise to read anything more into them--as well, Intel is highly diversified--it's not just tech anymore and hasn't been for a long while. Several years ago when AMD was in free fall technically as the company had lost its way post Opteron, its shares peaked at ~$50, IIRC, before it became obvious that the company had, in fact, lost its way, and the shares began to nosedive. Stock share price is never a predictor of future performance. High share price does not mean future success; low share price does not mean future failure, etc. *Products* are everything.
     

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