Intel to manufacture ARM SoCs

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Pretty big news really, Intel entered a licensing agreement with ARM, basically this allows parties like LG, Qualcomm, Apple, and Samsung, to fab ARM SoCs at Intel fabs. ...

    Intel to manufacture ARM SoCs
     
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    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    Their x86/64 small SoCs could not cut it, so now they are switching to ARM? Too many hands in the pot already I'm afraid, didn't AMD back out of the ARM race?
     
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    Stormyandcold Ancient Guru

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    A sign of the times really. The tech is on the verge of maxing-out and it's getting harder to find new business.
     
  4. PrMinisterGR

    PrMinisterGR Ancient Guru

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    They are not switching to ARM. They are renting their fabs basically. Intel is by far the most advanced chip manufacturer in the world. Most other fabs are at least 3 years behind them. With this move they will make a ton of extra money and have a clear peek into everything their competition does. It's a win-win from them.
     

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    thatguy91 Ancient Guru

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    Not really. The 14 nm process is good from Global Foundaries/Samsung, and TSMC on the shrunken node as well. Intel does have 10 nm but currently they haven't got it working quite right. So far, instead of getting high performance 10 nm Cannonlake processors we're getting a modified Kaby Lake (Coffee Lake) instead, on 14 nm. Cannonlake is now reserved only for the low end and slower parts. The news of a 6-core Coffee Lake (Kaby Lake Refresh, and Kaby Lake a Skylake Refresh was already an added processor due to Cannonlake delays) overshadowed this fact.
     
  6. Denial

    Denial Ancient Guru

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    Intel's 14nm has a smaller feature size compared to Samsung's 14nm.

    http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/FeatureSizes1.png

    Their 10nm extends the gap even further according to reports at semiwiki (not to be confused with semiaccurate)
     
  7. PrMinisterGR

    PrMinisterGR Ancient Guru

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    It's not even close actually. The Intel 14nm is almost what the TSMC/GloFo 10nm is going to be.

    Give it a read here.
     
  8. Dch48

    Dch48 Ancient Guru

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    Actually the Atoms, since Bay Trail, have competed very well in the mobile sector (tablets and 2 in ones) with the competition from Qualcomm and the others. They are not switching but rather renting out their manufacturing facilities.
     
  9. umeng2002

    umeng2002 Maha Guru

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    Just a hedge against lost revenue from AMD CPU competition with Zen and Zen +.
     
  10. sykozis

    sykozis Ancient Guru

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    Intel is going to be manufacturing ARM based processors for other companies. Intel has no interest in developing ARM based processors. The profit margins aren't large enough.

    AMD is still working on ARM based processors. They recently released an ARM based Opteron and there's rumored to be an ARM based Zen processor in the works.

    What lost revenue?
     

  11. Glidefan

    Glidefan Don Booze Staff Member

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    Intel isn't doing just x86 or 64 bit x86.
    They were in RISC cpus as well. Even if it didn't work out as well.
    (i960 for example; i think it has some Arm in it's DNA. Had that chip in my first DSL modem.)
     
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    This board has a short memory.

    Intel inhereted an ARM license many years ago when they purched DEC's STrongARM division, and built it's own line of ARM processors called xscale. Even when they sold xscale to Marvell a decade ago, they kept their ARM license.
     
  13. PrMinisterGR

    PrMinisterGR Ancient Guru

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    Last quarter Qualcomm had $6.0BN revenue and $1.2BN net profit over that. The profit margins are amazing, considering the sector, and Intel also has the best fabs in the world to produce chips, unlike Qualcomm who has to beg around Samsung/TSCM to get priority over Apple.

    The only reason that Intel won't make their own ARM chips now is that they would bury half of their tactical advantage, x86. They are afraid that as OSes become more and more "agnostic", and as apps stand on top of things like .NET, x86 will eventually be irrelevant once everyone coalesces around 7nm. So they are not about to go dig their own grave.

    I used to have one of those. A QTEK one. Indeed a lot of people forget. Intel did that back then because it was Windows Mobile and a natural continuation of the Wintel alliance (back then).
     

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