Intel to further delay its first 10nm processors to the end of 2019

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. -Tj-

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    Lol wishkeylake

    So still some wait for Icelake, np but this stalling is ludicrous
     
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    Superman stumbles......
     
  4. RavenMaster

    RavenMaster Maha Guru

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    If Intel was one person, that person would be a shivering wreck, crying in a corner rocking back and forth. AMD's Ryzen comeback has turned them into a huge mess. And dumping their CEO over something as trivial as an in-company relationship when they most needed an experienced helmsman, that was just stupid.
     
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    thats worse than i expected, looks like icelake ( or what ever they end up shipping)will be competing mostly with 4th gen ryzen, thats not a good place to be. frankly thats late enough to really damage intel's market share.
     
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    If this mess continues, is better for Intel to skip the 10nm process and move to the next one... If possible of course.
     
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    ^ I was thinking along similar lines. Is the 10nm still the same architecture BTW? If not that's what Intel needs to keep up in the core wars, especially in the HEDT and server market.
     
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    Can't see them skipping 10nm at all lol They've spent god only knows how many billions developing it, we'll be using their 10nm for years to come ;)
     
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    Intel's 10nm is the competition's 7nm. They have always been more ambitious in trying to get closer to ITRS node standard. Broadwell was the first sign of lithography size issues delaying a new processor launch by more than a year (where they had to start going to optimization steps like Devil's Canyon).

    This time, the long-term wait to see substantial gains isn't paying out well for them as the competition catches up and plays it safe getting there (putting out products more often with smaller process improvements. Intel isn't the only one that does this).
     
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    Frankly, I blame Krzanich why Intel is in this mess in the first place. Intel pretty much stopped innovating since 2013 (they instead were either buying out companies, or only did minor upgrades to their products). The only especially interesting thing Intel did since then was Optane, which had a rough launch due to those anemic M.2 models. Anyway, Krzanich was CEO since 2013, so if he isn't to blame, it sure is a strange coincidence that Intel became "boring" since he was in charge.
    As far as I'm concerned, he deliberately caused that in-company relationship so he could get out while Intel is still holding strong. It's too convenient - it wasn't sexual assault, so it doesn't make him look especially bad. Meanwhile, he gets to leave the company without putting investors in a scare. It sure doesn't look good if a CEO willingly steps down when the future is questionable, so, this allows him to run without throwing the company under the bus. In other words, he knows the future is bleak and wants to leave as a result, but, he also wants to ensure he's not the one blamed for tarnishing Intel's reputation.
     
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    Could be true.
     
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    Intel just reported another record quarter in revenue. Sometimes making money and innovating are disconnected when you don't have much competition. Meaning you have to blame Krzanich for the 3rd year in a row record revenues along with the lack of innovation which is a bit whaky. I do think it's going to catch up to Intel in 2019 while AMD rolls out EPYC and Ryzen on 7nm.
     
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    Nothing new. No further delays. As planned in past half year at least, 10+ ICL-S will be released as usual in late august without any rush. Back on track since Zen 2 delayed for a year as well.

    10 nm CNL-U is already there, on the market. GloFo 7LP delays full year behind Intel 10. Originally 7LP Zen 2 was supposed to out this year as well.
     
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    In Krzanich's defense, the PC market was in decline and the company was trying to diversify into other more lucrative areas (as well as trying to get a piece of the growing mobile pie). Tablets were all the rage, with many people thinking that they were going to make PCs obsolete. Of course Intel's lack of innovation may have added to that decline, but it was a difficult time for the PC industry as a whole. Microsoft managed to reinvent themselves, stepping away from selling OSs and boxed software to becoming largely a service provider. I think Krzanich tried to reinvent Intel but wasn't as successful.

    I do agree that his resignation was a bit fishy. It's feasible that he, or the board, no longer saw that he was right for the job and decided to step down under the pretense of a in-company relationship to avoid upsetting their investors. His failure to anticipate AMD's comeback may have been part of it.
     
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    Yep, it was just bit shortsighted. Too many bets on too many very uncertain things...
    1) tablet with windows still needs processing power, in small thermal envelope it means very power efficient chip => need for 7nm => failure to understand that improving manufacturing is still needed
    2) bet on low processing power and cloud processing/applications => not comfortable, mobile devices are not always online, mobile connectivity is not cheap enough, mindset of cunsumers

    In cases like that you sit in the room with your experts and ask them to think about possible tech routes and their requirements+consequences. Each models cause+effect tree map. And then all that information is processed together to do brainstorming over individual branches.

    Intel had their tablet rage, it is still here. They still produce x5-z85x0/87x0. Only issue was their total lack of support for those chips. And fake TDP in form of SDP. Making those devices look power efficient, but in reality weak and hungry.

    They basically orchestrated all their problems :)
     
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    Really I don't see the issue with this right now. Sure they're on a process they've used since 2014, but honestly considering the jump from 14 to 10nm is a year away and we have cores like Coffee Lake that are reasonably performing and run a little cooler that are still on 14nm, right now that's not all that bad.

    Now yes, it has been delayed a few times already which does suck I will say. At least they've been able to stay competitive and current being on 14nm. Granted AMD has only been on 14nm since Zen, but that's the same process they run on.
     
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    Well, on desktop 0 F* was given about power consumption. In case of need for power efficiency, one can always downclock/downvolt just a bit and have damn power efficient chip in both camps.
    But it is most important thing in mobile sector. It is always: "How much performance within 15W thermal envelope? How much in 25W? ..."

    And since ultrabooks became thing, most of mobile chips sold are for those low TDP devices. While end users do not really mind lower performance, I always see what could have been.
     
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    Didn't Krzanich also dump a shitload of Intel stock shortly before having to resign?
     
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    Depending on your definitions of "shitload" and "shortly", yes, he did. I know he still had a lot more stock left over, and to my recollection it was several months before his departure.
     
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    TSMC is really kicking Intel hard. I know that their 7nm is about the same as Intel's 10nm, but they're already there while Intel is having issues getting it stable. Intel will be on 10nm for a long time, probably 5 years up to 2024 with their 10nm++++ while TSMC will likely be at 5nm by then.

    Intel is slowly but surely dying.
     

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