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Intel talks new architectures for 2019 and beyond

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Dec 12, 2018.

  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Process is the little circle in the slides, that is just too funny. I think they would forget mentioning the process right now until 10nm+ is out if they could. Pretty weird seeing the global process leader for the last 20 years making like the process is only a small part of their success. Sure the process is only one part of making great CPU/GPU/SSD's etc but it so happens Intel wouldn't be the behemoth they are today if they were not the process leader and to think otherwise is nieve.
     
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    Posted in other thread..
     
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    So now that not only AMD does it, it's cool to glue stuff together? It's even mentioned as an "architectural" change in the next paragraph... and the one after that. And the whole first part of the part "Architectural Day Highlights"? Get a grip Intel, flamed the practice first now it's supposed to guarantee their lead? :rolleyes:
    Btw, AMD is already doing that, aren't they? ;)

    That paragraph about security... reads like a slap to the face when you look how it all went with security and Intel this year. Honestly, they don't even support the older CPUs anymore for the latest Spectre fixes, even though the architecture's basically a tock (Haswell - Broadwell). Unless they completely revamp their design, I'm afraid they'll be no more trustworthy than right now... I guess that's part of what the mentioning of "Docker", seperating certain threads via virtualisation? Isn't that supposed to be slower than speculative execution?

    Also, packages with Intel's way of fabricating our CPUs (glued heatspreaders...) only makes me think that these CPUs will be a pita to properly cool... I'm curious to see how that will work. Might be the time when everybody will need to design / buy new coolers / blocks :D
    Packaging shows that Intel's not expecting much more than 5.1GHz from their CPUs in the forseeable future... no wonder they need to improve their IPC. Kind of reminded me of Nvidia, when they improved compressions on their texture pipeline to save memory bandwidth (cheaper memory and smaller controller?).

    Well, at least it's "news", something to read since right now I feel like Intel hasn't had anything worth remembering to say since... years?

    Just my first thoughts on it, of course feel free to discuss and correct me on my mistakes. Let me learn from any insights you have, I still have to look up what exactly they mean with "photonic" in all of this...


    Just to have it said, @Hilbert Hagedoorn : Pictures 5 and 6 in the article are the same. Also, same thing with picture 14 and 15. :)
     
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    LOL I was actually thinking about that pic before you posted it. I was thinking about him "chillin" in that stupid pose years ago. Anyway good MEME gonna steal this one.

    I have to say best MEME I have seen in 2018. You sir win and thank you for the laugh.
     
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    Zen gave birth to Sunny Cove.
    Damn you Advanced m. Devices, they were planning more lakes!
     
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    looks like they are just gonna eat the cost of 2 architectures , thats gotta hurt.

    edit: nvm appears to just be icelake, dunno why they decided to rename the core.

    2019 just got very interesting.
     
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    Things change--as the prospectus says, "Past performance is no guarantor of future results." Always wise to remember, imo...;)
     
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    And then there are other AMD innovations like x86-64 and SDRAM (AMD didn't invent SDRAM, of course--but it pushed it in competition with Intel's Rambus dram (RDRAM) standard both of which won out over Intel Itanium preferences of the day--thank Goodness for that!) But, anyway, it's common for one company to knock another's progress--AMD did the same thing when Intel first introduced SMT as a method of maximizing CPU cycles per clock, etc. AMD said they (AMD) were using "real cores" instead of the "placeholder" cores doing SMT from Intel--and now look--AMD has jumped on the SMT core bandwagon, too! The best technologies have a way of winning out in the end--"glue" or no glue, "phony cores" or not....;)

    Intel understands where it's fallen behind after years of complacency and massive diversification, and so it's hiring people formerly from AMD and making a big splash about it, publicly. I wonder what results they will reap...I'm not terribly impressed by much of anything Intel does--AMD seems to do so much more with so much less. Raja looks sort of idiotic to me in his new role...;) I keep wondering--Trojan horse? At any rate, there are no AMD patents or technology he can provide Intel without AMD being aware of it and charging Intel a kingly sum for it, etc. Or, maybe the two companies will continue their various cross-licensing deals (how Intel got x86-64)--should be interesting to watch. AMD is as determined as the company has ever been, imo.
     

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    Well, he is one of the few people who can afford an i9, you know, with the whole selling AMD out to Intel thing I'm sure he made bank.
     

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