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Intel Talks About CPU overclocking software and is to release new Core X CPUs

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, May 28, 2019.

  1. GeniusPr0

    GeniusPr0 Maha Guru

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    Zen 2 8 core is one die + I/O die IIRC

    supports 4Ghz DDR4+ which gains remain to be seen

    Your 12 core argument means nothing because they can be overclocked. Yields will increase and so will top end clocks.

    Where Intel wins is the mobile arena. The 9980HK is the most impressive CPU because it has potential for 5GHz yet at lower wattage than 9900K.

    And besides clocks and RAM speed only matter for 1920x1080, 4K can be any CPU and 2080 TI will be the bottleneck as well as the next big gpu.
     
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  2. Clouseau

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    Have to say I'm impressed they are putting out software for overclocking the cpu on the fly. Is the assumption to be made that this is for an all core oc or the amount of cores can be adjusted to create a custom curve. Since I do not use the Ryzen Master software, does AMD have something comparable that offers the same?
     
  3. tsunami231

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    am i the only one not interested in such software? even if its a monkey see monkey do thing? I still switching to Ryzen next build.
     
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  4. Koniakki

    Koniakki Ancient Guru

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    So basically Intel is "voiding" their own warranty with this. :D
     

  5. Venix

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    Dear lord from having the best gaming "cpu" being the best argument for the 9900k now it came down even if it losse will not be by much.... Well obviously the amd cpu will 'just" match the gaming perf or will win or loose marginally for tiny bit , to have a noticable difference in perfomance the 9900k has to bottleneck the 2080ti and it does not! And obviously if you care for gaming only you will not change your 9900 .

    But you gotta love the evolution of those argument's
    2017 meh 7700k is the gaming king no need for more
    2018 the 8700k is the gaming king 2 extra cores add smoothness
    2018 the 9900k is the gaming king well worth the 200 extra usd for 2-15 fps on games
    2019 meh the 9900k will not loose by much so no biggie

    ( Insert flipping table meme here)
     
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    "Intel improved 18% the IPC"... "To mitigate the 16% penalties for the vulnerabilites"... :thinking:
     
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    There is no such thing as "recommended speed"

    Speeds are mostly set upon marketing or market needs. Bounds are big enough to play.
     
  8. fantaskarsef

    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

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    I see you have firmly grasped that way of thinking, doing anything for "likes" on forums.
    But the discussion about security always has two sides: People that care and people that don't care.
    People that don't care should just send me their credit card and bank login data. Because security is not important.
     
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  9. rl66

    rl66 Ancient Guru

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    Just make me laugh... their previous OC tool that come with the board (intel performance something) was unable to OC an unlocked X CPU on a friend set... it was writing that it is not an overclockable CPU (i hope they fired the coder or maybe he had already planed to go to AMD lol. )
    Once uninstaled and doing it the old way it was a nice 4.8Ghz reached without doing much.
     
  10. rl66

    rl66 Ancient Guru

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    Yes, but even more people buy Pentium and I3 or Ryzen 3... Also the main sold GPU aren't RTX2080(Ti) and Vega 2 but more around 200 Euro max (more below 200)...
     

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    lol, i guess your also leaving the main door of you place unlocked and open because you have a webcam monitoring the entrance.
    at least thats what i would assume seeing how a major flaw in a product is of no concern to you.

    you know how likely it is to have a nuclear meltdown? ONE in 1B years.
    yet we had only been using nuclear power for not even 40y before chernobyl happened.
     
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    A lot of people just don't seem to grasp how security and exploits work. I at least have the self-awareness to know that I'm an idiot and that it's totally possible an exploit could be far more impactful than I realize. I think people also tend to forget that, while they might not seem like a worthy target, there are huge corporations with troves our their data that are worth exploiting. That's not even factoring automation, it's unlikely anyone is furiously typing away trying to hack into your computer like in a movie.
     
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    Zen 2 worst case will very likely match Intel in gaming. It is not about beating Intel when AMD now has performance per core parity thanks to the IPC bump and on top of that they have lower power consumption, very likely lower thermals, newer chipset that can support faster M.2 drives (PCIe 4.0), lower price, and less security issues. Intel really is in hot water. The only CPU that stands a chance against Zen 2 is the 9900K and it cost more, pulls more power, requires more significant cooling and so on. Everything below the 9900K from Intel is screwed and those parts are even more important as they will be the bulk of consumer purchase at $200-$400. Been an Intel fan for awhile now but there is no denying AMD has more to offer for the money. Can't wait to compare a 3700x/3800x to my 9900K and 2700X.
     
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    I guess you just aren't paying attention. Intel will never drop the price anywhere close to Zen 2 AM4 socket. Intel processors are expensive to make and the 2066 HEDT platform is expensive overall. You really think that Intel is going to slash the price of their 12 core part to be even remotely close to the 3900X? Threadripper has brought 12 and 16 core parts to the market already and Intel has shown us they are not price adjusting HEDT to be anywhere near multi-threaded performance parity. The real answer from Intel will come on 10 nm. Don't expect huge price cuts from existing products. 9700K needs to be a $300 or less CPU and I highly doubt Intel will even do that.
     
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    @karma777police @Jayp

    I am with jayp on that one since ryzen came out intel did not dropped prices to fight it at all ! Even back when athlon 64 came out and was spanking the p4 left right and center also the pentium d was getting the same beating from athlon x2 .....intel had much much much higher prices for slower cpus they never really cut prices, and as is right now they sell as much they can produce will see, i hope intel slash prices and have an intel vs amd all out war!
     
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    Apparently you haven't had your bank account drained by someone and had to spend a dozen hours working with companies to get the money back. Once you do (and you will, with your attitude), you may learn that this stuff DOES matter. Or not. You know the risks, it's up to you to live with the consequences, not the rest of us.
     
  17. Andrew LB

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    I can currently get a 9700k for $379. Not far from that mark already. (microcenter ftw)
     
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    I would not say it will "beat" it in. But Zen2 $330 vs 9900K $500 will win on any reasonable resolution (1080p+) by enabling gamer to get better GPU.
    Someone with very high budget can still get 9900K + 2x 2080Ti and have it all as good as software allows. But for people on the ground, Zen 2 will provide almost equal fps potential while enabling them to realize higher portion of that potential through better GPU.
     
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  19. Jayp

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    Yea Microcenter is a special case. You have to live near one to get that pricing. Everyone else not living near the few Microcenters that exist are paying $400+. Additionally, the 3700X beats the 9700K quite badly in workloads using up to 16 threads. Even at $300 the 9700K is a questionable buy once Zen 2 8 core hits shelves. Will be interesting to see how they stack up in gaming. I don't think Intel's gaming advantage will be strong enough to warrant passing up on a 3700X personally. We will have to wait for the real benchmarks to know for sure. If you bought a 8700K, 9700K or 9900K already like I did it's whatever but if you're a CPU shopper this summer it's looking quite clear what the best purchase is.

    Just some side conversation \/

    I have been on Intel systems for good reason awhile now. It is nice to see AMD back on the map. All the way up to 2009 I used AMD systems over Intel. It's great that AMD is back to being the IPC leader and challenging Intel again. This is a great time for consumers. 2016 I had bought a new 6700K 4 core, 8 thread CPU for like $350-$400. Today only 3 years later I have an "expensive" 8 core 9900K that even clocks higher and a cheaper 8 core, 2700X that can be found now for sub $300. These types of CPUs were found only in the HEDT space for tremendously more money. Intel kept us on 4 cores in the mainstream for way too long. Thanks to this shift in core counts we are also seeing games and other software finally, more commonly, utilizing higher thread counts.
     
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    1.5gb for an overclocking suite. Hard pass.
     

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