Intel Skylake Launch Schedule Surfaces

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  1. -Tj-

    -Tj- Ancient Guru

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    Speaking of AMD,

    Excavator was already 20-30% faster vs original Bulldozer core (single core perf.), Zen is adding at least another 50%, also AVX2 512bit, DDR4, wider pipeline, all just like Skylake & CannonLake.

    I think this Zen will be very capable, almost dare to say better then Skylake. These 8 modules will actually be 8 not 4 x2 like by Bulldozer core..

     
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    You clearly do not know that their bench has trouble reading clocks and mostly reports base clocks on windows.
    Stock i5-4670k (3.4GHz) does around 10000-11000 based on memory speed.
    You want to back absolutely ridiculous argument in which clock to clock intel has 2.8x higher performance.
    Because your statement implies that 4.6GHz with 8 cores is equal to 3.3GHz with 4 cores:
    4.6 * 8 = 3.3 * 4 * x
    x = 4.6/3.3 * 8/4
    x = 2.788

    If that was true then half of i3 (1c/2t) would be around equal to 4 cored FX chip since HT does add around 1/3rd of performance in average.
    And in your delusion regular i3 (2c/4t) would battle with FX-8350, because 2 full i3 cores would be equal to 5.6 AMD's and 2x HT cores would add around 2 AMD's ~= 7.6 AMD cores in mere i3.

    Let it sink for a moment, then take a deep breath and laugh at yourself.
     
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    The thing about Zen it's that is x86 architecture, isn't it going to be a bit of a downside?
     
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    Do you want everyone to move from x86 to ARM or POWER? Your CPU is x86 as any other you likely had in desktop in your life.
     

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    No one is laughing at me dude. You've deviated so far from the original point that we're not even talking about Skylake anymore. You still have no idea how skylake will perform, you have no idea how Zen will perform, you clearly have no understanding of DX12's purpose and you have a false sense of what IPC even means.

    Think about it. We started this talking about Skylake's potential performance and you're adding nonspecific i3 cores together like CPU performance is a problem of basic addition.

    I'm done.
     
  6. -Tj-

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    Because x86 is universal PC thing

     
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    Thanks TJ, that's what I really meant, by being a pure x86 does it mean it's only going to work on 32 bit mode and not 64?
     
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    It will be 64. The instruction set is called x86-64
     
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    You are right, you are done. Advice to future:
    When you "argument", do not throw random arguments like throwing random cards from your hand onto table while not even understanding rules of card game you are playing and what kind of card you put there.
    And once you run out of cards because rules were about taking cards from others player hand instead of throwing them away, do not go around saying: "I won this game because all other players did not understand that you play very different game."

    So, if you think that what I wrote back there was off topic, you have 2 possibilities.
    1st) do not engage in off topics yourself
    2nd) think about what it is about and think about what you write

    hf
     
  10. Denial

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    I mean I guess I don't get it either?

    https://browser.primatelabs.com/processor-benchmarks

    An AMD 9590 w/8 Cores 220w @ 4.7Ghz - 13900 Geekmark

    An Intel i5-4690K w/4 Cores 88w @ 3.9Ghz - 13056 Geekmark

    Pricing aside, it seems to me like Intel still dominates in IPC performance.
     

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    Wish Guru of 3D would've put (non-multithreaded designs) in the chart, even though I know it, would've been nice. Nonetheless it ant worth upgrading to Skylake or Broadwell for that matter, but for new comes it shouldn't be a problem considering Canyon Lake is going to be Mobile Only Chip like Intel did with Broadwell until the community well went crazy.
     
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    Yeah except Broadwell should have been mobile only. Which once again shows that the company actually making the product knows a teenytiny bit more than random nerds on the internet.

    They knew it was going to be late, they knew the only good part was going to be Core-M and they knew that Skylake would be more interesting to our market. And yet we still wanted it, they gave it to us and 99% of the comments are "wow it's useless".
     
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    That list shows average scores. He clearly argued that i5-2500k at stock 3.3GHz does match/outperforms FX-8350 @4.6GHz without realizing that I posted my i5 score @4.5GHz while geekbench as usually does recorded only 3.3GHz clock.

    And there is no arguing that intel has considerably higher IPC, that is why I wrote in one of posts here that as AMD moves from CMT to SMT they'll have still quite big headroom to improve till they get to intel's level.

    And my original argument was about this: intel's 4-cored i5s will not cut it against 8-cored Zen this time around because at time Zen comes we will finally have use for more than 4 threads in new games. (Implying that intel should give us 6-core i5.)
     

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