Intel Skylake CPU and motherboard shipment dates uncovered

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. Tat3

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    Good news. Easy for me to push my new build to those dates. The build I have been talking about a year or so at these forums...

    On the other hand, I have bought a monitor already (MG279Q). :)
     
  3. fantaskarsef

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    If only I was impressed with Skylake I'd say it's good news, but still something's happening at least. Hooray for Cannonlake ;)
     
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    I have been itching to upgrade my really old motherboard for a while , hope these cpus bring tangible performance gain.
     

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    Same here, mate :)

    I hope this gives a decent boost to our base system.
     
  6. HonoredShadow

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    Same here! Still waiting... :)
     
  7. TheF34RChannel

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    My motherboard might do with an upgrade as well, get some of those new features :) maybe...
     
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    I agree.
    We've been hooray-ing for the generation after the next generation for a while now :-s.
    Only this time, Skylake was supposed to be big.

    Speaking of which, where'd people get this info from? The whole 'skylake is gonna be the next sandy' thing? I've been hearing it since ivy I believe.
    I mean we didn't know nothing about skylake, we still barely do. We can't compare this hype to the one around Fury X for example, in Fury's case most fanboys seemed to believe HBM was god itself, thus the hype. Who gave skylake hype initially?
     
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  9. Teawithgrief

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    I dont understand why you people still havent realized that you wont get anything more than 1-2% gaming performance CPU upgrade compared to last generation.

    Its means NOTHING when you say "oh, skylake - that will be the ONE". No it wont, when its out it will be just a big disappointment and you can chant the next name of the processor which is already finishing up, but will be out in 3 years.
     
  10. Ryu5uzaku

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    I can just push my upgrade to 2016 :eek:
     

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    Why I ain't excited at all? boring news. monopoly hurts here.
    besides, i m excited about my upgrade from HD5970 to 980 ti.
     
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    I might have upgraded but GTA 5 and Batman AK have come and gone, there's nothing I'm particularly looking forward to playing this year. I don't think I'll be upgrading for that reason.
     
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    First real new architecture on the 14nm node? I guess that's why everybody expects it to do magic. But then again, Cannonlake will just be the 10nm shrink of Skylake, so actually it will be... what is it going to be called?


    I tend to agree.


    At least you feel an upgrade there! Not as if you'd switch your current CPU for some Skylake stuff.
     
  14. TheF34RChannel

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    Well like I said, people could just be wanting a more recent motherboard and features, start a anew and such.
     
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    HBM is deserved to be god. It is AMD that considered failed to make it worshipped now. Fiji is basically old GCN modified to make use of it and being old AMD push GCN too far to side with brand new tech, correct me if I'm wrong.
     

  16. Shadowdane

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    Intel has really stagnated in the desktop CPU market. They really should’ve pushed for a 6-core CPU for the i7-6700K. Granted the majority of their sales now are mobile chips. So I'm not really surprised they have been mostly focusing on improving efficiency and power usage.

    The only thing that could maybe make be upgrade to Skylake is if they are amazing overclockers. My 4770K hits a brick wall at 4.4Ghz, no matter how much voltage I try it isn’t 100% stable. So I had to settle for 4.3Ghz at 1.25v.
     
  17. xIcarus

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    You do have a point but I can't sway one way or the other around it.

    From one point of view, HBM is a great idea. The tech itself is a good upgrade from GDDR5 and will be essential in moving things forward. This is definitely fact.

    But from the other, AMD rushed like hell to include HBM into Fiji. The technology isn't ready. It's limited to 4GB VRAM per stack right now and it's not overclockable for some reason, probably because it's experimental tech or because it's working at its limits since it definitely hasn't matured yet.

    And to top it off Fury X is a weak GPU. Just look at the 1080p results. There's no wide bandwidth needed there to compensate for the performance like it does in 4k.
    Bandwidth which in the end seemed not so huge. They initially said 640GB/s, then 512GB/s and on the boxes it sais 480GB/s iirc. I can't be the only one who noticed this. I don't know what AMD did and I don't even think I want to know on how many levels they screwed up while designing the GPU.
    It might sound harsh but I wouldn't be surprised considering the flops AMD have generated lately.
     
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    Well -- a few things.

    I don't think AMD could have released a card without HBM that's competitive with Nvidia. It's not like they would have had a new architecture if they pushed HBM back a year. If they had gone GDDR5, you would have got a Fury X Fiji chip, with a 315w TDP instead of 275 and it would have performed slightly worse.

    I don't think HBM will be overclockable at all in the near future. Partner companies like EVGA/MSI/ASUS/Etc all recycle GPU cores for RMA purposes if a memory module gets burned out. I haven't looked recently but I know in the past that GDDR DRAM failure is like the highest cause of RMA problems with cards. Now that HBM is integrated onto the interposer, you can no longer recycle the chip if it fails. I also think that due to the nature of manufacturing HBM with over 10K micro connections per stack, the voltage tolerances are probably a lot more strict vs the more robust GDDR. Couple all this with how fast HBM is, I don't even think overclocking is necessary.

    I don't know about what the boxes say but actual bandwidth numbers are actually even lower than 480GB/s.

    http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-r9-fury-x/b3d-bandwidth.gif

    Current maximum bandwidth is actually only 387GB/s. I'm not sure if that's due to the ROP count or some other DX11 limitation, random texture is still higher than Nvidia, so I personally think the ROP count is interfering here. Regardless it's not coming close to the theoretical maximum on HBMv1.

    But again, all this being said, I don't think AMD had a choice. They couldn't have released a competitive GDDR5 card. They might as well cut their losses as much as possible, get the move to HBM out of the way, get some experience with it and move forward with a die shrink + hopefully new architecture next year.
     
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    Hola my good old friend Tomi :) long time no see you in the forum i am glad to see you are back , same here bro , i am doing a new built and a major upgrade to all my components ( hardware and software ) ,l am looking forward for the new Mobos with all the new features , DDR4 , USB 3.1 etc ... alongside a Skylake i7-6700K + single, 980Ti + Windows 10 with DX12. This built will have to last me at least 2 to 3 years. So until mid august i will be still running my low spec htpc in my signature lol
     
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    It's a worthy upgrade. If you have any problem with drivers (i.e. games crashing) install the 350.12 drivers they fixed my trouble moded inf can be found here (http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=5106519&postcount=7).
     

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