Intel Refutes Rumors About Company Cancelling Arc Graphics

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    The man also claimed that Vega was on track and wasn't going to be delayed... but here we are... Fool me once, fool me twice. :p
     
  3. Horus-Anhur

    Horus-Anhur Ancient Guru

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    So MLID was just making stuff up, again....

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    If the first generation sells well i could see they pushing harder with next gen but if it fails behind the competitors and have many software issues it would not surpise me they quit their dedicated gpus.
     
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    Cowards. Bean counters want to see ROI now, and don't understand the effort and time needed to compete in the GPU market.
    I would be the first to buy Intel GPU if it's competitive on performance and price.
     
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    aufkrawall2 Ancient Guru

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    What are their "core competencies" these days? Losing miserably against power efficient AMD CPUs in servers and potentially mobile?
    Intel's loss of significance would be slowed down if they had some noteworthy GPU revenues...
     
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    Pushing for that cpu performance crown is their competencie. If they cant do that with gpus they'll consider it as failure. Intel being in the 3rd place? No.
     
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    the performance and prices rumored for this cards looks ok to me, i would buy one of the 770, i survived the days of bad AMD drivers, i guess i can deal with the bad Intel drivers (at least in my home pc)
     
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    Intel would be naive if they thought they could be better than 3rd place for the first gen, regardless of the driver situation. They didn't even attempt to outperform the 3070 even in theory. Granted, you don't have to have the fastest GPU to necessarily be better than 3rd place - if you've got something with a great price and great performance-per-watt, it can still be the better product; an architecture isn't necessarily inferior just because there isn't some supersized version of it. The average person isn't going to spend $400+ on a GPU so sometimes, something like a 3090 Ti or a 6900XT don't really have much appeal.

    Anyway, Intel's core competency is their platform as a whole, rather than any of the individual parts. Intel still sells well in the server and workstation markets to more conservative customers who need something to work reliably and consistently rather than quickly. Intel either makes everything you need to run a server or is partnered with those who will. This is also where IBM makes their money, except they take reliability to a whole new level.
     

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    You are forgeting about the mindshare. If nvidia still has the cards Intel cant compete with one will still buy a 3060 instead of A770 becouse simply nvidia is faster (despite maybe intel winning in that segment). Server use does not interests me or many average users that wants to play games. I think that should be their main focus if they want this to successed.
     
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    Interesting rumor...but Raja has been fairly full of it since he went to Intel--and I think AMD is better off, actually, and said so at the time. But honestly, I don't really care, because the speculation from Intel has been all over the place, lately. The one thing for sure is that Raja will not be the one who makes the decision, yea or nay. I think Intel may do what it did with Real3d so long ago--make a couple of Arc products and if they don't meet expectations, pull the line then. I haven't had a bad AMD driver in so long, I can't remember the last one. But surely I'm not interested in buying a third-rate product from Intel, with 3rd-rate drivers to match. Nope, I'll pass. I'd go to nVidia before I'd do that. The fact they aren't sending these GPUs around to review sites a few weeks ahead of availability speaks volumes, imo.
     
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    You're not wrong about mindshares and that had occurred to me. But, just the name "Intel" has a bit of a mindshare force, regardless of what it is. Intel must know this because again: they weren't intending to outperform a 3070.
    You're also not wrong that most people don't care about Intel at the server level, but, they're plenty fast enough for games. $200 will get you a CPU with resources to spare if you're into modern titles at 4K. Intel's name still carries more weight than AMD to the average user, and their "average user CPUs" don't have cost or power consumption issues.

    Only enthusiasts know that Intel is slipping, and even then, there are people in these forums who will still go with Intel because they'll get another 15FPS on top of 300. So, most people either don't know or don't care about Intel's current situation. By the time people figure out that Intel is falling the way of Cadillac, they're probably going to pick up their act. Remember - AMD is making great strides but they're not really that far ahead in the consumer space.
     
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    I don't think MLID is wrong on this one. Call it more than armchair conjecture. I expected strong copium abuse after that news dropped and indeed there is. I was all for a third player in the market, unfortunately Intel made extremely unwise leadership choices for this project, had unrealistic expectations and should have been more considerate of how to protect the fledgling division until it became viable.
     

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    MLID is always wrong.
     
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    He takes enough guesses to have something right and then claim he was right tbh. :D
     
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    If asked if "you" are lying, you will always get the answer "no",
    no matter if thats the case or not.
     
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    Ask yourself this, from the perspective of a company that does not want to shut down their GPU line:
    They'll deny it.

    Now look at it from the perspective of actually wanting to shut down, cutting your losses:
    You'll deny it just as much, trying to sell as much of your GPUs as possible without giving people the idea it's abondonware the moment they buy it.

    So of course they will deny it under any circumstances. And even if they mean it, things might look completely different in 3 months, 6 months, a year from now... I'm not sure even Intel knows yet.
     
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  20. Horus-Anhur

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    Intel has no reason to cancel these GPUs right before launch.
    Even if these are of no interest to enthusiasts that build their own PC, Intel has enough dealings with pre-built companies, to put these in millions of PCs around the world.
     
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