Intel processors will get hardware fix for Spectre and Meltdown this year

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jan 26, 2018.

  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

    Messages:
    43,793
    Likes Received:
    10,947
    GPU:
    AMD | NVIDIA
  2. fantaskarsef

    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    12,985
    Likes Received:
    5,559
    GPU:
    2080Ti @h2o
    They should rather fix their CPUs and send everbody a new one that is not bugged. Or at least fix the microcode issues they have with current hardware.
    Honestly, I'm actually getting sick of how Intel treats it's customers here. On one side they can't fix the issues that exist, on the other they brag about their earnings...
     
    Silva and -Tj- like this.
  3. ScottishPickle

    ScottishPickle Member

    Messages:
    45
    Likes Received:
    9
    GPU:
    8gb DDR3 1666
    Intel should not get away with the insider trading that was going on.
     
    Silva likes this.
  4. shamus21

    shamus21 Member Guru

    Messages:
    141
    Likes Received:
    25
    GPU:
    0
    Same old problems, If punter's keep buying a manufactures products they will keep producing crap. I think AMD will be the best option going forward for multi core Cpu`s with the refresh coming up.
     
    Silva likes this.

  5. Kaarme

    Kaarme Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,898
    Likes Received:
    1,589
    GPU:
    Sapphire 390
    Gotta benchmark before and after the microcode update and, if necessary, ask for a partial refund from Intel. Actually returning the CPU to the store ought to be possible as well. It would require buying a new mobo and a Ryzen CPU, but if I got a full refund, I could take a 1600X and still have money left to put towards the mobo.
     
    Silva likes this.
  6. fantaskarsef

    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    12,985
    Likes Received:
    5,559
    GPU:
    2080Ti @h2o
    Of course we all could buy ourselves a new system if we get 100% refunds from Intel :D
    But they wouldn't give you 100% under any circumstances, lowered because you used the chip already, etc.

    Just to have it said, if everybody running an Intel system would do that, we would have the same situation with Ryzen CPUs that we have with AMD graphics cards: We couldn't get them. And that I tell you would only add insult to the injury...
     
    Kaarme likes this.
  7. cuneytcam

    cuneytcam New Member

    Messages:
    9
    Likes Received:
    2
    GPU:
    7870
    The news reaches us today through Intel director Brian Krzanich, who "maid" the claim

    Guess it is supposed to be "made".
     
  8. Kaarme

    Kaarme Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,898
    Likes Received:
    1,589
    GPU:
    Sapphire 390
    Yeah, it was all jokes. In reality I'd never realistically expect to have any such options at all. Maybe in the USA the class action suit participants might get 10 dollars out of it (except the lawyers getting 100k), but not over here. If I lose performance, my only option is to up the clocks, although that wouldn't help with the SSD performance.
     
    fantaskarsef likes this.
  9. Turanis

    Turanis Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    1,780
    Likes Received:
    489
    GPU:
    Gigabyte RX500
    All the matter is: what Investors do,what Investors think,how much money Investors will put on Intel.The rest of the market is zero for Intel co.

    From what I know the Ice Lake cpu(an refresh of already known Sky-Kaby-Coffee-bloody lake arch) is already lithography and ready to launch.But when they release a new cpu with "changes" so soon?

    The performance will "be loosed" when ssd-hdd are on heavy duty processes.

    Meanwhile on US Congress:
    "The United States House Energy and Commerce Committee has sent a letter to a number of tech companies, including Intel, Microsoft ,Google and Apple,
    to ask for more information on why they decided to keep secret the details of the Meltdown and Spectre security flaws."



    https://energycommerce.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Meltdown-Spectre-Letters.pdf
     
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2018
    Angantyr likes this.
  10. schmidtbag

    schmidtbag Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    6,488
    Likes Received:
    2,833
    GPU:
    HIS R9 290
    I'm sure they still intend to fix the microcode issue, otherwise Intel is just begging to get sued into oblivion if they do absolutely nothing about it. It seems a little too unrealistic to have such a major security risk go completely un-fixed for what is likely a minimum of 80% of CPUs on the market, including servers. That being said, it would also be unrealistic for Intel to replace every one of those CPUs, especially if they can be made safe via just some updates [that aren't broken].

    Why? Unless Intel's definition of fixing this at the silicon level means to just remove the transistors that the microcode and kernel patches would otherwise remove, I'm sure they're trying to figure out a way to keep things like execution prediction without it being a security risk. So far, disk-intensive processes seemed to have the biggest performance hit due to the patches.
    What a stupid question for them to ask. Really, it doesn't take a genius to figure out why they kept quiet for so long, and even if all of the suspected reasons are wrong, what difference does it make? What action could possibly be taken in response to it that could actually be enforced? Who exactly had this secret hurt?
     
    fantaskarsef likes this.

  11. TheDeeGee

    TheDeeGee Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    7,851
    Likes Received:
    1,892
    GPU:
    NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB
    I bet they will add an extra pin, so people have to buy new motherboards as well.

    I will keep a close eye on Ryzen 2 reviews.

    My last AMD CPU was an Athlon 64 FX-60 i believe. After that i owned a E6850, i7 950 and my current 4770K.

    Would be nice to go back to an AMD CPU.
     
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2018
  12. Robbo9999

    Robbo9999 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    1,580
    Likes Received:
    303
    GPU:
    GTX1070 @2050Mhz
    This is good news, I'm pleased to hear that they're gonna be releasing CPUs this year with the fix built into the hardware - I said in an Intel forum here on Guru3d recently that they really should concentrate all efforts on accelerating a hardware fix in new CPUs, as I believed it to be poor to release new CPUs with the vulnerability already baked into the hardware, the monkeys have only gone and listened to me! ;-) Ha, no, but good to hear this news.
     
  13. TieSKey

    TieSKey Master Guru

    Messages:
    205
    Likes Received:
    73
    GPU:
    Gtx870m 3Gb
    Some systems allow to turn off speculative execution altogether and patching a linux kernel to isolate memory pages seems to be relatively simple for a really big player, so I could see how a lot of them would have rather lose 50% performance (just as an example) and be safe.
    As to who's been hurt, afaik the problem here is the memory "leaks" are itself untraceable, so if a malicious program reads sensitive info from memory and encrypts it before writing it to disk or trying to send it over the network, there's no way to know. Even if u later use some av to find exploiting code patterns, u will never know what was actually stolen.
     
  14. D3M1G0D

    D3M1G0D Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,068
    Likes Received:
    1,341
    GPU:
    2 x GeForce 1080 Ti
    This is good news for Intel. It will spur a wave of upgrades from affected users (basically, everyone who owns a modern Intel CPU) who want to restore full performance. Should be another record year for Intel and their shareholders ;)
     
  15. tsunami231

    tsunami231 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    12,788
    Likes Received:
    1,115
    GPU:
    EVGA 1070Ti Black

    they would go out buisness if they had to "replace" everyone CPU that is effected. And they are still working on pusing microcodes out,

    I still have no intrested in Buying a CPU any time soon though
     

  16. schmidtbag

    schmidtbag Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    6,488
    Likes Received:
    2,833
    GPU:
    HIS R9 290
    I disagree. Most people don't know what Spectre or Meltdown are, and as long as it remains that way, people aren't going to upgrade if they don't have to. Also, people aren't going to exactly be favoring Intel if they're forced to buy a new product because of their mistake. But, luckily for Intel, most people don't know AMD exists.
     
  17. tsunami231

    tsunami231 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    12,788
    Likes Received:
    1,115
    GPU:
    EVGA 1070Ti Black
    Oh i am sure if they hit to performance is big enough in there eyes they will buy new cpu, I would and will, but for me to be willing to do that hit to my performance has clearly visible in what i do normal daily, AMD and the Other CPU makers are just as susceptible to this, it just people are focusing on Intel

    AMD Ryzen like very nice is first AMD chip in over decade I even thought about make system off of, I didnt bother going threw with cause i had aready made my new system
     
  18. Tone

    Tone Member

    Messages:
    36
    Likes Received:
    6
    GPU:
    Asus 3090 Tuf OC
    Surely these should be classed as defective CPU's and if you have bought a cpu in the last 3 years would be entitled to a replacement that works with the new hardware changes once they come out
     
  19. tsunami231

    tsunami231 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    12,788
    Likes Received:
    1,115
    GPU:
    EVGA 1070Ti Black
    that would be nice, but i highly doubt that will happen,
     
  20. Tone

    Tone Member

    Messages:
    36
    Likes Received:
    6
    GPU:
    Asus 3090 Tuf OC
    Bet they come out with a revision 2 for chips like X299, cant see them still producing these without the new hardware changes, especially as they have messed up the 1st microcode revision, and we have no date as to when this could be fixed
     

Share This Page